From: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org (Monkey Digest) To: monkey-digest@valinor.eldar.org Subject: Monkey Digest V1 #657 Reply-To: monkey@valinor.eldar.org Sender: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org Errors-To: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org Precedence: bulk Monkey Digest Thursday, January 20 2000 Volume 01 : Number 657 In this issue: [monkey] Monkey comics [monkey] Universal Bad Spirits / Edifice Resides [monkey] Monkey certificate Re: [monkey] Universal Bad Spirits / Edifice Resides Re: [monkey] Universal Bad Spirits / Edifice Resides [monkey] Monkey's scream! Re: [monkey] Universal Bad Spirits / Edifice Resides [monkey] What happened there?! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:27:48 GMT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: [monkey] Monkey comics Someone on the Monkey Message Board has been asking about the existence of any Monkey comics... here's one of the replies: "If you live in the UK and in particular London, China town stock Monkey comics. However these are not based on 'Monkey' as such but on the HK version of Journey to the west. Hope this is useful." Howell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- + To unsubscribe, send an email to: majordomo@valinor.eldar.org with 'unsubscribe monkey' in the body of your message + Need help? Send an email to: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:26:50 EST From: "The Wizard" Subject: [monkey] Universal Bad Spirits / Edifice Resides Hi All, just sharing something said to me the other day. >Oh, and if U means Universal, then it would be the right choice, no? I met some people last week and we were all getting along fine, this one bloke Marco seemed like a nice person, turned out we use to play soccer against each other, anyway the point is we had nothing against each other and didn't know each other so I believed what he said. The tele was on SBS and this Japanese film come on, it had some martial arts, we started talking about you know, is Bruce Lee the legend still or do Jackie's funky moves make him look unimaginative? I like Lee better so I mentioned Monkey as a comparison of the state of onscreen fighting in asian film at the time, and he said he hates Monkey, that it was the worst show ever. Hmm, this is interesting I thought so I decided to find out why - hey man you gotta admit it is a funny show don't you think, even if the martial arts is a bit lacking sometimes. And, not unlike classics of HK period cinema it is very historically authentic, even though it isn't set in the real world (except when they start bugging out to the funk inside various demons' stomachs etc). But no he didn't like any of this, and then he said he also hated the religious undertones of the show. Aha, I thought this sounds more like it, so I asked him more and he got a bit pissed at me and said he was quite content with his faith and couldn't believe that as a kid he was subjected to Buddhist influences by a harmless looking kids TV show (well it was on after school, in a children's time slot). I have to say that I think a lot of religious people are very one eyed, but then you get people like Moby who is a Vegan, a Christian and also loves the Dalai Lama and knows all the main religious leaders in the big 5 faiths, but yeah, I guess that since there has never been anything like Monkey that most people would not have expected to be given religious insights at 6pm weeknights in the very early 80's, but then, I don't think personally that any of the morals and wisdom is against the grain of what Jesus taught either, and I know that watching Monkey never made me want to follow the Buddha. For me it was about education (the moral of the story side of the trip) and in some cases I've even been encouraged by this wisdom. So I guess I was wondering what anyone else thinks, considering that if there was a kids' TV show which every now and then decided to quote the bible and had serious Christian undertones, do you think there would be a lot of uproar about this? See on the one hand I think that this guy was being a bit silly thinking that he may have been subjected to viral influences ( re Snowcrash ) as a kid, but then judging by the amount of parents who vehemently won't let their kiddies attent R.I. (religious instruction at school) I could see a lot of letters to the editor if the religion at the hear of Monkey was Christianity (in this country at least). Are there anti-buddhists in Japan ? Were they threatened by the show back when? I'll stop crapping on now I think... Anyway. Don't anyone else enter that Monkey comp. alright? I know its hard, but really, I do deserve to win, and you wouldn't want to spoil my chances now would ya? Hey I wonder if the quality of the vids will be any better than the TV transmissions...? How about a digital remastering ? Cheers. Dwiz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- + To unsubscribe, send an email to: majordomo@valinor.eldar.org with 'unsubscribe monkey' in the body of your message + Need help? Send an email to: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:47:38 GMT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: [monkey] Monkey certificate >Oh, and if U means Universal, then it would >be the right choice, no? I imagine that the videos will get a mixture of certificates (this is what happened with The Water Margin), and some of them may even end up with a 15 rating. I've heard that there was some controversy when the BBC last showed Monkey with respect to the fighting, and apparently any fighting with nunchuks is either forbidden or it demands a higher rating in the UK. Probably a mixture of PG and 15 ratings. What do other people think? Howell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- + To unsubscribe, send an email to: majordomo@valinor.eldar.org with 'unsubscribe monkey' in the body of your message + Need help? Send an email to: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:26:42 +0000 From: "David Hann" Subject: Re: [monkey] Universal Bad Spirits / Edifice Resides of course there are plenty of Christian fundamentalist funded children's tv. i ignore most of it. speilberg recently funded a notably bad retelling of the Moses story. the Mormons have had a big influence on Hollywood. Do you know about the backing of 'battlestar galactica'!? What about the chronicles of narnia? i am not saying that putting any religious message into allegory and presenting it as children's entertainment is bad. what i am saying is that to consider children to be easily subjugated/indoctrinated by claptrap is a tad paranoid! to cut it short: there is clearly plenty of ammunition for your argument, in the form of online documentation and critical writing. Most is which would negate the arguments of your blinked friend. regards, http://i.am/hann - --------------------------------------------------------------- + To unsubscribe, send an email to: majordomo@valinor.eldar.org with 'unsubscribe monkey' in the body of your message + Need help? Send an email to: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:54:52 EST From: "Baz Kanda" Subject: Re: [monkey] Universal Bad Spirits / Edifice Resides I am not a Buddhist but a person who converted to Islam. I don't find the religious/spiritual message in Monkey offensive at all. Innuendo, nudity, bad language, and other things that all religions teach against as acceptable but make such a big fuss when religion or God think there are universal truths and morals in all religions, and I think it is good that a TV show like Monkey can present a good message to the masses. It is funny how society basically accepts it when sex is brought into the picture in any way. That can't be a good indication of where our society is at right now can it? Then there are narrow minded people like that bloke you met who seem to think Jesus is the only way and everything else is wrong. There are idiots who think only Muhammad is right and everyone else is wrong. Unfortunately there are a lot of narrow minded people in all religions. Are they so thick that they don't realise that God sent his message to many different messengers throughout time. As a muslim I can accept a lot of Buddhist morals (I don't think I have come across anything I can't accept),and I can accept Jesus teachings. Seems to me that people like being ignorant about others because it makes them feel that they are better than the rest. I think that good messages like we find in Monkey and some other programs should be promoted. What bad can come out of it? A good message (from whoever it comes from) can only have a good affect. Just as a bad message can only have a bad affect. Right now there are more things affecting us in a negative way by what we see and hear than in a positive way. So basically what it comes down to is that I think Monkey is da bomb and it rocks and that bloke who took offence to Monkey is full of crap. BAZ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- + To unsubscribe, send an email to: majordomo@valinor.eldar.org with 'unsubscribe monkey' in the body of your message + Need help? Send an email to: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:54:52 -0000 From: "Nikki Brown" Subject: [monkey] Monkey's scream! At the start of Godiego's Monkey Magic, there's the old "Monnkkeeyyy!" scream that we all know and love.... :-) The scream on the original recording was done by Steve Fox, on the live versions it's done by the drummer Tommy Snyder, so the timing is perfect with the beginning of the rhythm... That's another mystery solved! :-) Nikki Brown ******************************************** http://home.clara.net/n.brown THE DAY I MET MASAAKI SAKAI "Great Sage Equal of Heaven!" ******************************************** - --------------------------------------------------------------- + To unsubscribe, send an email to: majordomo@valinor.eldar.org with 'unsubscribe monkey' in the body of your message + Need help? Send an email to: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:25:03 +0000 From: Alexander Javid Stoneham Subject: Re: [monkey] Universal Bad Spirits / Edifice Resides This mans got brain' , mans got soul' So whether it came from a monkey, or from saint/sages, its not who the messenger is, its the truth of the message, the only thing the messenger must be precautious about is following it himself, for if he cannot believe , who will believe him. Monkey, although still covered, strive for what's right, (maybe he was forced, maybe his motivations were wrong, (i.e. he new tripitaka was really a girl, and he wanted a peice....just jokes.) Actually, its not the monkey that was right, what was right, as mr baz clearly has found, was the message of monkey (films), the message of truth, presented in a delicately un-delicate way. but why tell you this, you all already understand. - --------------------------------------------------------------- + To unsubscribe, send an email to: majordomo@valinor.eldar.org with 'unsubscribe monkey' in the body of your message + Need help? Send an email to: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:39:43 EST From: "Baz Kanda" Subject: [monkey] What happened there?! The first paragraph of my message seems to have broken up for some reason so I will write it again like how it was supposed to be. here goes... I am not a Buddhist but a person who converted to Islam. I don't find the religious/spiritual message in Monkey offensive at all. Sexual innuendo, nudity, bad language, and other things that all religions teach against are acceptable but people make such a big fuss when religion or God are brought into the picture. I think there are universal truths and morals in all religions, and I think it is good that a TV show like Monkey can present a good message to the masses. It is funny how society basically accepts it when sex, drugs and violence is brought into the picture but not God or spiritual teachings. That can't be a good indication of where our society is at right now can it? ... I hope my first paragraph makes a bit more sense now. Baz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- + To unsubscribe, send an email to: majordomo@valinor.eldar.org with 'unsubscribe monkey' in the body of your message + Need help? 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