From: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org (Monkey Digest) To: monkey-digest@valinor.eldar.org Subject: Monkey Digest V1 #84 Reply-To: monkey@valinor.eldar.org Sender: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org Errors-To: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org Precedence: bulk Monkey Digest Saturday, August 9 1997 Volume 01 : Number 084 In this issue: Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright (again!) Re: [monkey] Sentai? Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright (again!) [monkey] Re: Monkey Digest V1 #83 Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright (again!) Re: [monkey] Re: Monkey Digest V1 #83 [monkey] Weir/Books RE: [monkey] China series [monkey] "The Iron Circle" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 01:57:57 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright (again!) >> I received my "Godiego Great Best Vol. 2" CD from Japan today. It >> features "Holy and Bright", the ending music from the last season of >> Monkey, along with "Monkey Magic", "Gandhara", and lots of other songs >> which are not related to Monkey. >> >> It arrived just before I was due to leave for work; so I listened to >> "Holy and Bright" before I left. It had been 16/17 years since I last >> heard this song, and I'm afraid to say that, at the moment, I tend to >> agree with the majority who don't like this song. On first listening, it >> sounded very lightweight and in a completely different league to >> "Gandhara" - which is an undisputed classic song. >> >> I intend to listen to this CD lots, and who knows, "Holy and Bright" >> might grow on me after a while, but I somehow doubt it :( > >Well, the music in Monkey as a whole is utterly fantastic and suits >the series perfectly. There's bound to be *one* song which isn't all >that great. And that's where Holy and Bright comes in. It really is >crap, mindless Europop without much of a tune. It sounds a bit >christmas carolly to me too (if "carolly" is a real word - can we >please pretend it is otherwise this sentence will look rather >stupid?) Umm, erm, erg, this is where I eat my words... After listening to the CD lots of times, I'm starting to like Holy and Bright now!!! I still prefer Gandhara of course, but Holy and Bright is sounding better every time I listen to it :) Oh dear, Howell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:20:10 +0100 From: Chris Bailey Subject: Re: [monkey] Sentai? In message <199708070816.BAA16345@f20.hotmail.com>, Howell Parry writes >>> Can anyone here tell me what a sentai tv show is? (i.e. what does >>> "sentai" mean?) >>> >> >>From my understanding, "Sentai" is a popular tv show genre in Japan. >>Sentai shows normally feature a team of heroes, each with his/her own >>distinct colour, and big robots. Some sentai shows are Mighty Morphin >>Power Rangers, VR Troopers and Superhuman Samuri Syber Squad. > >Thanks for the explanation, Daniel. > >I guess Monkey isn't a sentai show then! Actually that explanation isn't quite correct. Sentai is a Japanese series yes, but it is a "series" not a genre. The genre you explained would be "tokusatsu" which is basically a show with special effects. Sentai has been around for just over 20 years by Toei and Saban Entertainment uses the sentai shows such as Zyuranger, Dairanger, Kakuranger, Ohranger, Carranger and the current Megaranger which have been used for the fighting scenes in Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, Power Rangers Zeo, Power Rangers Turbo etc.... Masked Rider, VR Troopers and Big Bad Beetleborgs all use a different series.. Kamen Rider and BeetleFighter for example. They also have the "metal hero" series which is similar to sentai. Super Human Samuri Syber Squad has nothing to do with any of these and was a lame copy of the successful shows that Saban produce. These are NOT Sentai shows, Sentai is just used for the Japanese form of Power Rangers. Monkey would probably come under the tokusatsu genre. If you want more information, I would be happy to provide it. Chris :) - -- Webmaster of the OFFICIAL Nakia Burrise Website: http://www.demona.demon.co.uk/nakia/index.html It's Coming.... www.angel-grove.com! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 21:56:22 -0700 From: Tu Chung Subject: Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright (again!) Howell Parry wrote: > > >> I received my "Godiego Great Best Vol. 2" CD from Japan today. It > >> features "Holy and Bright", the ending music from the last season of > >> Monkey, along with "Monkey Magic", "Gandhara", and lots of other > songs > >> which are not related to Monkey. > >> > >> It arrived just before I was due to leave for work; so I listened to > >> "Holy and Bright" before I left. It had been 16/17 years since I last > >> heard this song, and I'm afraid to say that, at the moment, I tend to > >> agree with the majority who don't like this song. On first listening, > it > >> sounded very lightweight and in a completely different league to > >> "Gandhara" - which is an undisputed classic song. > >> > >> I intend to listen to this CD lots, and who knows, "Holy and Bright" > >> might grow on me after a while, but I somehow doubt it :( > > > >Well, the music in Monkey as a whole is utterly fantastic and suits > >the series perfectly. There's bound to be *one* song which isn't all > >that great. And that's where Holy and Bright comes in. It really is > >crap, mindless Europop without much of a tune. It sounds a bit > >christmas carolly to me too (if "carolly" is a real word - can we > >please pretend it is otherwise this sentence will look rather > >stupid?) > > Umm, erm, erg, this is where I eat my words... After listening to the CD > lots of times, I'm starting to like Holy and Bright now!!! > > I still prefer Gandhara of course, but Holy and Bright is sounding > better every time I listen to it :) > > Oh dear, > > Howell > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com i really like Holy and Bright.Is there a chance of posting the words for it howell. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:53:17 +0000 From: ca121206@mail01.adl.aone.net.au Subject: [monkey] Re: Monkey Digest V1 #83 snip n when you watch it . I also found a reference to a book that was I believe published by >Penguin in the 1980's which was a book on the series and contained >information, apparently, on the show, actors and included some >pictures - but have had no luck tracking it down. Ring a bell ? >I've never heard of this! I know they did a book called "Monkey" by >Arthur Waley that contained a selection of the stories: >http://www.penguin.co.uk/Penguin/Books/0140441115.html snip Yup the Arthur Waley is I believe the effective Readers Digest version of Hsi-Yu Chi - Journey to the West by Wu Cheng-en (16th century). This comes in a number of volumes- often each chapter (or two) would correlate pretty well with an episode in the series. The Waley book (published as Monkey) in Aus is basically a selction of chapters from the beginning and from the end. I think the book (I think published by Penguin) was called "Monkey goes wild about heaven". I have always meant to do a net search for it but haven't got around to it yet. One thing that always intrigued me was that the show was dubbed -I always thought the actorsthe actors/actresses who did the voices were perfect and always wondered who they were.... Anyone know anything ? I found the Fango reference (#133) re Tsui Hark - which refers to a Gorezone article (#20) where re refers to the Monkey King as his dream project. The article also shows a picture of some storyboards for the film Howell - I can recommend these films (Chinese Ghost Story series) to you. They are visually striking and have great action combined with the taoist philosphy - sound familiar ? Anyway, til' next Wendy "Don't look at me in that tone of voice" - Pigsy, in that episode about the wasp woman - can't remember the title ! I also believe that in fact the series was repeated in Australia 10 times by the ABC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 05:13:32 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright (again!) [snip] >i really like Holy and Bright.Is there a chance of posting the words for >it howell. Of course! I'll post them to the list soon - maybe later today. Howell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 05:41:28 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] Re: Monkey Digest V1 #83 >snip >i>n when you watch it . > >snip > >Oh yes - starring David Carradine who I think was a wandering >flautist ? Have seen the film many years ago and remember thinking >at the time - oh yes I know that character. It was on TV in Aus long >time ago and hasn't been around for ages. I did think it was >available on video though I'm not really sure. From what I can >recall which isn't much Cord seemed to spend a lot of time >wandering around in the desert and one of the things he learnt >was..(when fighting the monkeys).. never let your enemies surround >(circle) you. Thanks for the information. After searching around a bit, I found that this film is more commonly known as CIRCLE OF IRON. Here's the entry for it in the Internet Movie Database: http://uk.imdb.com/M/title-exact?Circle+of+Iron+(1979) Looking at the credits, I noticed that David Carradine plays 4 different people in this film, including the "Monkeyman" character... >snip >>I also found a reference to a book that was I believe published by >>Penguin in the 1980's which was a book on the series and contained >>information, apparently, on the show, actors and included some >>pictures - but have had no luck tracking it down. Ring a bell ? [SNIP] >I think the book (I think published by Penguin) was called "Monkey >goes wild about heaven". I have always meant to do a net search for >it but haven't got around to it yet. Well I've just done a quick search for it, and can't find anything about it. If anyone else knows anything about this book, or even has a copy of it, please let us know! >One thing that always intrigued me was that the show was dubbed -I >always thought the actorsthe actors/actresses who did the voices >were perfect and always wondered who they were.... > >Anyone know anything ? All I know is that a English guy called David Weir did the voice of Monkey, and that he has appeared in numerous tv shows, including Doctor Who. I've no idea who all the other actors were - anyone got any ideas? [SNIP] >Howell - I can recommend these films (Chinese Ghost Story series) to >you. They are visually striking and have great action combined with >the taoist philosphy - sound familiar ? I've never seen them - a friend of mine has them on video; I'll have to watch them. Apparently they feature lots of ghosts who jump up and down a lot. >I also believe that in fact the series was repeated in Australia 10 >times by the ABC 10 times!! If only the BBC had repeated it more than once... Howell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:27:30 +0100 From: Martin Day Subject: [monkey] Weir/Books >There's actually about as many English people on this list as >Australian. It appears it was shown in Australia, Asia and the UK >(people in the US have never heard of it). It was made originally (in >Japanese) in Japan by NTV and Kokusai Hoei. Shortly afterwards, it was >dubbed into English here in the UK - I think by a company in London >called World Wide Sound (it's on the credits). > >It was shown in Australia by ABC, and in the UK by the BBC. I don't >believe either company were involved in its production with NTV - they >just bought the broadcasting rights to screen it. Except that David Weir wrote his scripts virtually from scratch..! >>I also found a reference to a book that was I believe published by >>Penguin in the >>1980's which was a book on the series and contained information, >>apparently, >>on the show, actors and included some pictures - but have had no luck >>tracking it down. >>Ring a bell ? >I've never heard of this! I know they did a book called "Monkey" by >Arthur Waley that contained a selection of the stories: >http://www.penguin.co.uk/Penguin/Books/0140441115.html >but this book you mention sounds very interesting indeed - if you find >out anything, or manage to find a copy of it, please let me know! The only book I remember from when _Monkey_ was on UK TV was Alison Waley's kids' version of the tale (_Dear Monkey_), reprinted by Fontana in 1979. It has an artwork cover, seemingly based on the text, but has "NOW A MAJOR BBC TELEVISION SERIES" splashed across the bottom - the only actual mention of the TV prog. Cheers ________________________________________________________________________ Martin http://ds.dial.pipex.com/marty/ "Over the hills and far away, Teletubbies come to play..." ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:38:11 -0700 From: "Thomas Nguyen" Subject: RE: [monkey] China series Hey, I saw the picture of the China series at http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/8153/oken.jpg and am happy to discover that I have the entire series on tape, in eight volumes. It's definately Taiwainese and is very very good (providing you can speak cantonese). Anyway, it's not as great as 'Monkey' but is especially good if you have read the book as it is very faithful. However, if you are after a better Chinese series, there is this Hong Kong one called 'Ta Tang To Hou Tzu Hsi Yu Chi' which is new and great. I dont know what its called in English sorry. And also, I have just aquired this game (for PC) by Panda Productions. It was made in 1993 and is based on the Hsi Yu Chi story. It's quite colourful if you like that sort of thing...has anyone ever played 'Golden Axe'? Well it's like that. As soon as I get some more webspace, I'll put it up on my site for you to download. My site is at: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/1274/ ~Tom. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 13:01:40 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] "The Iron Circle" Howell says >I just found a newsgroup article about Monkey and related films etc., >and it mentioned a film featuring the Monkey character, called "The Iron >Circle": Was it that really dreadful film - kind of martial arts and sorcery (as opposed to sword and sorcery) with David Carradine? Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ *********************************************************** ------------------------------ End of Monkey Digest V1 #84 *************************** ----------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the Monkey Mailing List digest list, send mail to: majordomo@valinor.eldar.org with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe monkey-digest To send a message to the list, send mail to: monkey-digest@valinor.eldar.org If you have any problems or questions, send mail to: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org For lots more information and news about "Monkey", check out the Monkey! web site: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/8153/