From: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org (Monkey Digest) To: monkey-digest@valinor.eldar.org Subject: Monkey Digest V1 #73 Reply-To: monkey@valinor.eldar.org Sender: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org Errors-To: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org Precedence: bulk Monkey Digest Tuesday, July 29 1997 Volume 01 : Number 073 In this issue: [monkey] Monkey T-shirts Re: [monkey] Re: Monkey Digest V1 #63 [monkey] Today's Monkey information from Japan Re: [monkey] Did they make it? Re: [monkey] MONKEY PRODUCTION VALUES Re: [monkey] Did they make it? Re: [monkey] MONKEY PRODUCTION VALUES [monkey] lost your message..... Re: [monkey] Monkey T-shirts Re: [monkey] Monkey T-shirts Re: [monkey] Monkey T-shirts [monkey] How about..... Re: [monkey] How about..... Re: [monkey] How about..... Re: [monkey] Have you ever made a magic wishing staff? Re: [monkey] Monkey T-shirts Re: [monkey] Monkey T-shirts Re: [monkey] Re: Monkey Digest V1 #63 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 01:58:11 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: [monkey] Monkey T-shirts Since there appears to be a lack of Monkey merchandise, I've decided to start making my own. I'm going to start by creating some Monkey t-shirts; I know a t-shirt printing place here in Manchester that will take a graphic on disk, and produce t-shirts for a reasonable price. Anyone got any ideas for a t-shirt design? Which picture (that's available on the Internet) do you think would look go on a t-shirt? Howell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 02:50:59 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] Re: Monkey Digest V1 #63 I think it sounds good too. I guess, since the majority of fans on this list are based in the UK and Australia, we'd have to have one in each of these countries. I imagine it would be difficult to get the original stars of the show to come along to it; if we could somehow get them to come to it, we'd need to raise enough money to pay for all their expenses (flights, hotel etc.), plus we'd need a Japanese interpreter. But the rest of it sounds quite possible; we'd need to get a lot of Monkey fans along to it, much more than are on the mailing list, to make it affordable (hiring of a hotel or whatever for the convention etc.). It would involve a lot of advertising; I guess adverts in the "Cult TV" kind of magazines would work... It'd be good if someone was to set up a Monkey fan club, for non-Internet users, and produce regular newsletters, which would include details of conventions etc. A fan club would be a good way to "gather" all the fans together, to advertise conventions etc. Howell >I think this is a wonderful idea, and there is no reason why we monkey >fans should not have this sort of gathering as Trekkies do. The problem >is we'd have to have a couple of conventions in different countries, as >I'm sure we can't all afford to travel the world for a convention of >monkey fans. Though Monkey and his friends made much harder pilgrimage. > >On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Henry Burrows wrote: > >> Clare wrote: >> > One day perhaps we could organise a >> > kind of Monkey stick convention, bring along our sticks - decorated or >> not >> > - - of all sizes ranging from matchsticks to bo length and demonstrate >> a few >> > moves to each other!! that would be fun!!! :-) :-) >> >> A Monkey convention is an original idea! I bet it's not been done >> before. Just imagine all the "attractions", "monkiees" (real big >> fans, like Trekkies for Star Trek) dressed as their favourite >> characters, original props auctioned off, stars of the show to >> sign autographs, big screen viewings of some of the best episodes, >> quizzes & competitions, stick-fighting demonstrations, pink >> candy-floss being sold as "Monkey's Cloud"....... >> >> ...But that's a long way off, I guess (or have I gone too far?) >> >> -- >> Henry Burrows -+- Home Email: henry@hideaway.demon.co.uk >> MarkCare Medical Systems Ltd -+- Work Email: henry@smimed.co.uk >> Life is like a simile. >> > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 03:00:07 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: [monkey] Today's Monkey information from Japan Here's some more Monkey information from Japan: "Monkey" is the most popular TV show that NTV ever made, so to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the channel, they made a new 1990s series of Monkey, a remake of the original series. It featured the newest special effects and computer graphics, and included a completely new cast. It only ran for 1 season, and was unpopular (I guess it couldn't beat the original series!). Some bio information about the cast: Tripitaka:Masako Natsume She is a popular actress,still. She has a lot of fans. Monkey:Masaaki Sakai He is a singer and acter and chairman. Menber of the old band"SPIDERS". SPIDERS is very famous in japan. Pigsy:Toshiyuki Nishida He is a great acter and singer. There're many movies,that he play the leading part. He has a lot of fans. Sandy:Shiro Kishibe He is a singer and acter. Menber of the old band"TIGERS". TIGERS is very famous in japan,too. Out of interest, he referred to Tripitaka as "monk", and Sandy as "monster has a dish". Howell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:59:59 +0100 From: Martin Day Subject: Re: [monkey] Did they make it? >They didn't actually get to India; here's what some people said in >response to this question when it was asked previously: > >>No, unfortunately they never made it. I can't remember what happens >>in the last episode though. But, presumably that's the whole point. >>If they'd made it, wouldn't it mean that evil would have been >>completely banished from the Earth? > >>I thought the whole idea of the series is that they do =not= get to >>India to show that all life is a journey. Or something like that. The book(s!), incidentally, do have a proper ending, with the scriptures recovered and brought back (the return journey is a lot quicker, as I recall!). It ends with Monkey's head band vanishing - the implication is he has achieved some level of enlightenment. Cheers ________________________________________________________________________ Martin Day http://ds.dial.pipex.com/marty/ "Tough on stains, tough on the causes of stains" ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:03:03 +0100 From: Martin Day Subject: Re: [monkey] MONKEY PRODUCTION VALUES >>Whilst Monkey is not exactly a special effects extravaganza, I believe >it is >>certainly superior production wise, to other shows like Doctor Who and >>Blakes 7. However, that wouldn't be hard :) > >I agree completely! Please, let's not get into slagging off other programmes just to bolster our positive opinion of _Monkey_. It's, frankly, tedious - and, as a _Who_ fan, I would suggest, inaccurate, at least in regards to SFX!! :-) :-) Cheers ________________________________________________________________________ Martin Day http://ds.dial.pipex.com/marty/ "Tough on stains, tough on the causes of stains" ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 03:34:42 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] Did they make it? >The book(s!), incidentally, do have a proper ending, with the scriptures >recovered and brought back (the return journey is a lot quicker, as I >recall!). It ends with Monkey's head band vanishing - the implication is >he has achieved some level of enlightenment. It seems that the last season of Monkey was cut short because of lack of money; it was too expensive to continue filming in China. I would have loved to see them get the scriptures in the series, and for Monkey to lose his headband. Howell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:54:35 +1000 (EST) From: Nick McCarthy Subject: Re: [monkey] MONKEY PRODUCTION VALUES At 10:03 AM 7/28/97 +0100, Martin Day wrote: Please, let's not get into slagging off other programmes just to bolster our positive opinion of _Monkey_. It's, frankly, tedious - and, as a _Who_ fan, I would suggest, inaccurate, at least in regards to SFX!! :-) Martin, you've misinterpreted my meaning and intention a little. I was not slagging off Doctor Who or Blakes 7 at all. In fact, Doctor Who is my favourite television program (yes, it rates above Monkey- but only just!) And I also love Blakes 7 :) If you compare them to Monkey though, on a general basis, there is no way you can say that Who or Blakes looks better visually. Compare the modelwork and film video effects of Monkey to those of the two BBC sci-fi's and you'll find that Monkey wins hands down. I'm not saying this to bag the cult sci-fi's of the BBC because on the basis of content and genre, you just can't compare these shows to Monkey because they are so different. I was merely making a visual comparison and Monkey is better in that regard. You look at the points I made in the original posting about Monkey's production values; you'd have difficulty finding such technical standards in 70's Doctor Who and Blakes 7. For a start, a great deal of both BBC sci-fi's were shot on video and whilst there were often location film sequences, neither series was shot entirely on film like Monkey. And the film stock used by the BBC is of a poorer quality compared to that favoured by NTV. Look at the cinematography too- Monkey often had arial photography and crane shots which were very rarely seen in the BBC sci-fi's. Also, the Japanese video effects are far more sophisticated than those of 70's Who/Blakes, like the swirling cloud effects and various fire and lightning effects. The BBC, in the seventies, usually favoured video disc machines to create imaginative video effects which were interesting, but not in the same league as those for Monkey. Moreover, the models used in Monkey are of a much finer detail and are scaled, lit and shot better than those in 70's Who or Blakes. Whilst I say all this, I acknowledge that the BBC came up with some wonderful effects for both of their cult sci-fi's. Visually, Doctor Who improved dramatically during it's 26 year tenure on television and I was very impressed with many of the effects during the McCoy era, which are naturally superior to those of Monkey because of latter day technical standards. However, on an overall basis, Monkey looks better as a whole IMHO. My original comment was said with my tongue planted firmly in my cheek and I adore all three shows and aside from the visual aspects, I'm not favouring one show over another. All have their good points. No doubt, there are aspects of Who and Blakes which are superior to Monkey and I know that Monkey had it's share of crap effects too. I was not trying to bolster my opinion of Monkey; I already know how good it is. I also know how good Doctor Who and Blakes 7 are. Like any television, all three shows have their strengths and weaknesses. Monkey just happens to win out visually (all IMHO of course :)) Cheers, Nick McCarthy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:37:33 -0400 From: greg Subject: [monkey] lost your message..... Howell, please could you mail mem your address again, I filed it but then it magically dissapeared, I`ve almost finished the t-shirt design, I`ll be working on the logo next. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:05:11 +1000 (EST) From: Nick McCarthy Subject: Re: [monkey] Monkey T-shirts At 01:58 AM 7/28/97 PDT, Howell wrote: Since there appears to be a lack of Monkey merchandise, I've decided to start making my own. I'm going to start by creating some Monkey t-shirts; I know a t-shirt printing place here in Manchester that will take a graphic on disk, and produce t-shirts for a reasonable price. Anyone got any ideas for a t-shirt design? Which picture (that's available on the Internet) do you think would look go on a t-shirt? Firstly, I think it's a cool idea and I'd certainly be interesting in buying a t-shirt. In fact, I was thinking only recently how great it'd be to have some item of Monkey clothing (apart from dressing up like Monkey as a youngster :)) I'm not fully aware of all the pictures available on the net but I think a couple of elements put together would look good. Obivously, there'd need to be a recognizable close-up of Monkey's face. I think an emotive close-up of one of Masaaki's wonderful expressions would be great (eg: a shot of him shouting or whistling for the cloud). You could position this prominently in the middle of the shirt front and also have a smaller action pic on the back of the shirt, ie: Monkey flying in his cloud or in a fight scene pose. To add a bit of colour, a small capture of clouds, fire or lightning from the series would also be good. I wonder what the Chinese lettering for "Monkey" is? because I think that would look great on the front of a shirt as a title. It's much more interesting and mysterious than just having a title in English. However, a shirt would also work well without a title to make it more ambiguous. All these ideas are probably far too ambitious. Howell, even if you can't do something that looks really professional, I think a faded, rough, grungey kinda style would be good too because it is an old, cult program afterall. Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 06:40:02 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] Monkey T-shirts >Since there appears to be a lack of Monkey merchandise, I've decided to >start making my own. > >I'm going to start by creating some Monkey t-shirts; I know a t-shirt >printing place here in Manchester that will take a graphic on disk, and >produce t-shirts for a reasonable price. > >Anyone got any ideas for a t-shirt design? Which picture (that's >available on the Internet) do you think would look go on a t-shirt? > > > >Firstly, I think it's a cool idea and I'd certainly be interesting in buying >a t-shirt. In fact, I was thinking only recently how great it'd be to have >some item of Monkey clothing (apart from dressing up like Monkey as a >youngster :)) > >I'm not fully aware of all the pictures available on the net but I think a >couple of elements put together would look good. Obivously, there'd need to >be a recognizable close-up of Monkey's face. > >I think an emotive close-up of one of Masaaki's wonderful expressions would >be great (eg: a shot of him shouting or whistling for the cloud). You could >position this prominently in the middle of the shirt front and also have a >smaller action pic on the back of the shirt, ie: Monkey flying in his cloud >or in a fight scene pose. To add a bit of colour, a small capture of clouds, >fire or lightning from the series would also be good. > >I wonder what the Chinese lettering for "Monkey" is? because I think that >would look great on the front of a shirt as a title. It's much more >interesting and mysterious than just having a title in English. However, a >shirt would also work well without a title to make it more ambiguous. > >All these ideas are probably far too ambitious. Howell, even if you can't do >something that looks really professional, I think a faded, rough, grungey >kinda style would be good too because it is an old, cult program afterall. Well, as far as I'm aware, the only Monkey pictures on the Internet can be found on these web pages: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/8153/pictures.html (my pictures page - only 6 pics here!) http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~u5ms/monkey/pictures.htm (Matt Sephton's pictures page) http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~chris/mon_pics.html (18 nice video captures) http://freeweb.redcat.org.uk/~semprini/monkey.htm (Semprini's Monkey Magic Oohh! web site - features lots of pics throughout) I like all your ideas, Nick; unfortunately I'm limited by the pictures that are available on the Internet at the moment, and my lack of artistic talent. I was probably going to keep it really simple, for example: * a simple emotive close-up of Monkey's face * a pic featuring all of them; or separate closeups of the 4 main characters placed together And maybe putting the "Monkey" logo at the top - I agree that it would only look good if the actual Chinese lettering is used; if not, I was going to make it titleless. I guess another idea would be to have a closeup of 1 of the characters on the front, e.g. Monkey, and then "tile" lots of smaller action pictures on the back of the t-shirt. Have a look at the pictures on the pages I've listed above, and tell me which ones you like. If anyone out there fancies putting together a t-shirt design, or doing some new video captures from the show for a t-shirt, go ahead and do it; I'm open to any suggestions / contributions. Howell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:22:12 -0400 From: greg Subject: Re: [monkey] Monkey T-shirts I can find out the chinese for "Monkey", it`s featured in a kung fu film called "mad monkey kung fu" which I mentioned in the list earlier. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:19:53 -0400 From: greg Subject: [monkey] How about..... We could have : "I LOVE TO FIGGGGGHHHHHHHHHTTTTT!!!!!!" as a print on the shirt,but that may result in many a beating for the wearer..... hhhmmmm.... Greg. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:47:26 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] How about..... >We could have : >"I LOVE TO FIGGGGGHHHHHHHHHTTTTT!!!!!!" >as a print on the shirt,but that may result in many a beating for the >wearer..... > hhhmmmm.... >Greg. This could be ok with an appropriate pic of Monkey. Seriously! E.g.: http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~u5ms/monkey/02monk.jpg http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~u5ms/monkey/03monk.jpg How's about this one for a pic of all 4 of them: http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~u5ms/monkey/04monk.jpg ? Howell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:05:41 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] How about..... >>We could have : >>"I LOVE TO FIGGGGGHHHHHHHHHTTTTT!!!!!!" >>as a print on the shirt,but that may result in many a beating for the >>wearer..... >> hhhmmmm.... >>Greg. Or, how about something really simple: The text: Monkeeeeeeyyyyy!!! with the picture: http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~u5ms/monkey/02monk.jpg ? Howell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:26:00 +0000 From: "Semprini" Subject: Re: [monkey] Have you ever made a magic wishing staff? > >Certainly parts of China must have the right climate for growing > >bananas. > > Where do bananas orignally come from - does anyone know? I'm sorry, that's such a bizarre question I just had to reply to it, even if all I have to say about it is this. Sorry. .oOo. "hello" (c) 1997 mailto:semprini@buttle.com (All Rights Reserved) http://freeweb.redcat.org.uk/~semprini/ (for Heaven's sake, go there..) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 08:09:27 +1000 From: "Lisa Martin" Subject: Re: [monkey] Monkey T-shirts Why not have the Japanese for Songokuu? Seeing as it is a Japanese show. Lisa - ---------- > From: greg > To: INTERNET:monkey@valinor.eldar.org > Subject: Re: [monkey] Monkey T-shirts > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 12:22 AM > > I can find out the chinese for "Monkey", it`s featured in a kung fu film > called "mad monkey kung fu" which I mentioned in the list earlier. > Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 08:18:27 +1000 From: "Lisa Martin" Subject: Re: [monkey] Monkey T-shirts > All these ideas are probably far too ambitious. Howell, even if you can't do > something that looks really professional, I think a faded, rough, grungey > kinda style would be good too because it is an old, cult program afterall. > > Nick. > All great suggestions. I think a Seventies kind of look to the t-shirt would be appropriate too. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:12:29 +1000 (EST) From: "Smith / Jeanette Yvonne (MGM)" Subject: Re: [monkey] Re: Monkey Digest V1 #63 I can speak basic Japanese. But I suppose a lot of you can. Anyway, I think the monkey newsletter/fan-club/magazine etc would be great. On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Howell Parry wrote: > I think it sounds good too. I guess, since the majority of fans on this > list are based in the UK and Australia, we'd have to have one in each of > these countries. > > I imagine it would be difficult to get the original stars of the show to > come along to it; if we could somehow get them to come to it, we'd need > to raise enough money to pay for all their expenses (flights, hotel > etc.), plus we'd need a Japanese interpreter. > > But the rest of it sounds quite possible; we'd need to get a lot of > Monkey fans along to it, much more than are on the mailing list, to make > it affordable (hiring of a hotel or whatever for the convention etc.). > It would involve a lot of advertising; I guess adverts in the "Cult TV" > kind of magazines would work... > > It'd be good if someone was to set up a Monkey fan club, for > non-Internet users, and produce regular newsletters, which would include > details of conventions etc. A fan club would be a good way to "gather" > all the fans together, to advertise conventions etc. > > Howell > > >I think this is a wonderful idea, and there is no reason why we monkey > >fans should not have this sort of gathering as Trekkies do. The > problem > >is we'd have to have a couple of conventions in different countries, as > >I'm sure we can't all afford to travel the world for a convention of > >monkey fans. Though Monkey and his friends made much harder > pilgrimage. > > > >On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Henry Burrows wrote: > > > >> Clare wrote: > >> > One day perhaps we could organise a > >> > kind of Monkey stick convention, bring along our sticks - decorated > or > >> not > >> > - - of all sizes ranging from matchsticks to bo length and > demonstrate > >> a few > >> > moves to each other!! that would be fun!!! :-) :-) > >> > >> A Monkey convention is an original idea! I bet it's not been done > >> before. Just imagine all the "attractions", "monkiees" (real big > >> fans, like Trekkies for Star Trek) dressed as their favourite > >> characters, original props auctioned off, stars of the show to > >> sign autographs, big screen viewings of some of the best episodes, > >> quizzes & competitions, stick-fighting demonstrations, pink > >> candy-floss being sold as "Monkey's Cloud"....... > >> > >> ...But that's a long way off, I guess (or have I gone too far?) > >> > >> -- > >> Henry Burrows -+- Home Email: henry@hideaway.demon.co.uk > >> MarkCare Medical Systems Ltd -+- Work Email: henry@smimed.co.uk > >> Life is like a simile. > >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ End of Monkey Digest V1 #73 *************************** ----------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the Monkey Mailing List digest list, send mail to: majordomo@valinor.eldar.org with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe monkey-digest To send a message to the list, send mail to: monkey-digest@valinor.eldar.org If you have any problems or questions, send mail to: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org For lots more information and news about "Monkey", check out the Monkey! web site: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/8153/