From: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org (Monkey Digest) To: monkey-digest@valinor.eldar.org Subject: Monkey Digest V1 #71 Reply-To: monkey@valinor.eldar.org Sender: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org Errors-To: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org Precedence: bulk Monkey Digest Saturday, July 26 1997 Volume 01 : Number 071 In this issue: Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright Re: [monkey] Did they make it? Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:14:31 +0100 From: Martin Packer Subject: Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright Howell Parry recalls: > I remember there was a discussion on the list a while ago, and some > people compared it to a typical Eurovision song contest entry (cheesy > pop), which was quite funny! Not a bad analogy IMHO. It sounds just like one of those dreadful Cliff Richard Christmas singles to me. Complete with all the Christian overtones - strange for a series about a Buddhist pilgrimage. Ok, "Gandhara" wasn't the best song of all time, but it was a million times better than its replacement. The beginning credits of the third (or second if your Japanese contacts are to be believed) series were a pale shadow of the original too. As was the third season Pigsy. And the horse in human form was crap too. All IMHO of course. Thrax ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:14:32 +0100 From: Martin Packer Subject: Re: [monkey] Did they make it? Howell Parry quotes: >I thought the whole idea of the series is that they do =not= get to >India to show that all life is a journey. Or something like that. I'm not sure that was the original intention, but the third (I'll continue to think of it as the third, rather than second) series credits do say that the pilgrims are "on a journey as long as life". Suggesting that the pilgrimage has become far more spiritual than practical. I believe that they do actually make it in the original story, and the scriptures they collect are part of Buddhist literature. In fact, I think the scriptures are called the "Tripitaka", meaning "three baskets" because they came in three baskets. Thrax ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 04:42:41 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright >Howell Parry recalls: >> I remember there was a discussion on the list a while ago, and some >> people compared it to a typical Eurovision song contest entry (cheesy >> pop), which was quite funny! > >Not a bad analogy IMHO. It sounds just like one of those dreadful Cliff >Richard Christmas singles to me. Complete with all the Christian overtones - >strange for a series about a Buddhist pilgrimage. Ok, "Gandhara" wasn't the >best song of all time, but it was a million times better than its >replacement. It sounds terrible - and I've just ordered a Godiego greatest hits CD from Japan that has this song on it! I'll tell you what I think when I hear it again after all these years. >The beginning credits of the third (or second if your Japanese >contacts are to be believed) series were a pale shadow of the >original too. How are they different? I don't remember... >As was the third season Pigsy. And the horse in human form was crap too. All >IMHO of course. I think a lot of people will agree with you on all this :) Howell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:52:56 -0700 From: Tu Chung Subject: Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright Martin Packer wrote: > > Howell Parry recalls: > > I remember there was a discussion on the list a while ago, and some > > people compared it to a typical Eurovision song contest entry (cheesy > > pop), which was quite funny! > > Not a bad analogy IMHO. It sounds just like one of those dreadful Cliff > Richard Christmas singles to me. Complete with all the Christian overtones - > strange for a series about a Buddhist pilgrimage. Ok, "Gandhara" wasn't the > best song of all time, but it was a million times better than its > replacement. The beginning credits of the third (or second if your Japanese > contacts are to be believed) series were a pale shadow of the original too. > As was the third season Pigsy. And the horse in human form was crap too. All > IMHO of course. > > Thrax Holy and Bright was a great song,it still rings in my mind.I can only remember certain parts of the song,it was really really catchy. "U see stars into ur imagination.........." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:35:15 +1000 (EST) From: Nick McCarthy Subject: Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright [snip] The beginning credits of the third (or second if your Japanese contacts are to be believed) series were a pale shadow of the original too. How are they different? I don't remember... Well, the third series opening montage is a shorter reworking of the original one and the "character profiles" are done in a slightly different fashion. The narrator's opening speech is changed considerably and the line where he says, "the pheonix can fly only when it's feathers are grown" has been deleted. The major letdown though is when the Monkey title comes up. It is the same title as in the first two series, except the wonderful "Monkey!" shout has been changed and replaced by a short musical piece. The Narrator also introduces the characters, with Monkey fighting on The Great Wall, Tripitaka praying and Pigsy Number 2 carrying a young girl on his back. The Narrator explains Pigsy's different physical image by saying that "he is changing" and becoming more human. Yu-Lung also appears in the re-worked credits sequence. As was the third season Pigsy. And the horse in human form was crap too. All IMHO of course. I think a lot of people will agree with you on all this :) He was really a watered down version of the Pigsy character with similar cowardly traits although he didn't lust after girls like Pigsy. I reckon they introduced Yu-Lung so there'd be another character for Monkey to bully and tease :) Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:30:46 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] Holy and Bright >Well, the third series opening montage is a shorter reworking of the >original one and the "character profiles" are done in a slightly different >fashion. The narrator's opening speech is changed considerably and the line >where he says, "the pheonix can fly only when it's feathers are grown" has >been deleted. > >The major letdown though is when the Monkey title comes up. It is the same >title as in the first two series, except the wonderful "Monkey!" shout has >been changed and replaced by a short musical piece. The Narrator also >introduces the characters, with Monkey fighting on The Great Wall, Tripitaka >praying and Pigsy Number 2 carrying a young girl on his back. The Narrator >explains Pigsy's different physical image by saying that "he is changing" >and becoming more human. Yu-Lung also appears in the re-worked credits >sequence. Thanks for all this information; I don't remember any of this. From what you've said, I'd agree that it doesn't sound as good as the original opening titles. >As was the third season Pigsy. And the horse in human form was crap >too. All IMHO of course. > > >I think a lot of people will agree with you on all this :) > > >He was really a watered down version of the Pigsy character with similar >cowardly traits although he didn't lust after girls like Pigsy. I reckon >they introduced Yu-Lung so there'd be another character for Monkey to bully >and tease :) I can't imagine anyone playing Pigsy as well as Toshiyuki Nishida did - he was brilliant! Howell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of Monkey Digest V1 #71 *************************** ----------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the Monkey Mailing List digest list, send mail to: majordomo@valinor.eldar.org with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe monkey-digest To send a message to the list, send mail to: monkey-digest@valinor.eldar.org If you have any problems or questions, send mail to: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org For lots more information and news about "Monkey", check out the Monkey! web site: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/8153/