From: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org (Monkey Digest) To: monkey-digest@valinor.eldar.org Subject: Monkey Digest V1 #43 Reply-To: monkey@valinor.eldar.org Sender: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org Errors-To: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org Precedence: bulk Monkey Digest Wednesday, June 25 1997 Volume 01 : Number 043 In this issue: Re: [monkey] Wasp Witch episode question Re: [monkey] Where exactly has "Monkey" been shown? [monkey] Where exactly has "Monkey" been shown? Re: [monkey] Where exactly has Re: [monkey] evil [monkey] monkey's appearance [monkey] "Fire Mountain" story [monkey] last episode [monkey] Monkey King opera [monkey] Monkey style martial arts [monkey] Monkey Videos Re: [monkey] Wasp Witch episode question [monkey] Hong Kong Fairy Tales [monkey] worst episode Re: [monkey] "Fire Mountain" story Re: [monkey] Wasp Witch episode question Re: [monkey] videos [monkey] Re: Monkey Digest V1 #42 [monkey] videos ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 02:06:34 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] Wasp Witch episode question >It was shown as the last episode in the UK and elsewhere, but apparently >"Mothers" (where Tripitaka's mother dies) seems like it's the last episode, >and has been shown as the last episode somewhere? > > >For the moment, I've said that it's Season 3, Episode 12. > > >According to both episode lists I have seen, the last two episodes of >season 3 are: > >12. Mothers >13. At The Top Of The Mountain > >Is this the order Foxtel (Australia) played them in last time? It >will be 12 more weeks before they show the last episodes of season 3 >again. > > >BTW, great review, Nick. > > > >Thanks Chris. In regard to the episode order, "At The Top of The Mountain" >was the final episode shown on Foxtel's last screening because I clearly >remember getting a friend to tape it for me and I was pissed off because it >was the last one :( It was also last on the ABC screening in 1992. It does >seem a bit of an inconclusive episode but as I remember, "Mothers" didn't >have a great deal of finality to it either, > >Nick. Thanks for all that. Since "At the Top of the Mountain" seems to be shown as the last episode most of the time, I'll change it to Season 3, Episode 13 then. Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:22:46 -0700 From: Arwen Gunter Subject: Re: [monkey] Where exactly has "Monkey" been shown? Howell Parry wrote: > > As far as I can gather, Monkey has only been shown in Australasia > (Japan, China, Hong Kong, Australia, New Zealand) and in the UK. > > What about mainland Europe (France, Germany etc.), USA, Canada, Africa? > Have all these people never seen "Monkey"? > > Howell TO the best of my knowledge, it has not been shown in Africa, at least not in South Africa - I'm not to sure about the rest but I sincerely doubt it. Arwen - -- Ivanova: "Having delusions of grandeur again?" Marcus: "I've always said, if you're going to have delusions you may as well go for the really satisfying ones." Nicks: R1-D1 Undomiel Co-founder of Imzadi Mailing List High Marcolyte of the Holy Side-order of Marcus Cole Holder of the Sacred Minbari Fighting Pike Heir to the Holy Ranger Robes http://www.wantree.com.au/~hgunter/imzadi/ *JJLL* *IML* *BDFT* *J&D* *I&M* *Unicorn* *Warcouncil* *Monkey* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:28:47 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] Where exactly has "Monkey" been shown? Howell says > >As far as I can gather, Monkey has only been shown in Australasia >(Japan, China, Hong Kong, Australia, New Zealand) and in the UK. > >What about mainland Europe (France, Germany etc.), USA, Canada, Africa? >Have all these people never seen "Monkey"? No, I don't think they have - my American informants say it has never shown in the US. Actually I'd be really curious to see Monkey dubbed into French - - it could start up a whole new string of jokes in French!!! (It hasn't been dubbed into French as far as I know!) *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 03:12:38 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] Where exactly has >Howell says >> >>As far as I can gather, Monkey has only been shown in Australasia >>(Japan, China, Hong Kong, Australia, New Zealand) and in the UK. >> >>What about mainland Europe (France, Germany etc.), USA, Canada, Africa? >>Have all these people never seen "Monkey"? > >No, I don't think they have - my American informants say it has never shown >in the US. Actually I'd be really curious to see Monkey dubbed into French >- it could start up a whole new string of jokes in French!!! (It hasn't >been dubbed into French as far as I know!) I imagine it's only ever been dubbed into English and Chinese (Cantonese?) then..., thus limiting it to English-speaking countries and Asia. I agree, a French version could be quite amusing; just imagine translating all those bizarre voiceovers into French... Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:22:15 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: Re: [monkey] evil Robert says > No. > That, which destroys is not necessarily evil. > Say, I decide to build myself a beachouse, in the process destroying >the homes of some crabs, maybe step on some innocent worms & cut down >a few trees. > Am I evil? > Maybe. > Then a volcano comes around and spills lava all over the place, is >nature evil for destroying? But, then again, it depends on your >perspective. To me, the volcano has destroyed my house, but to the >little creepy-crawlies, they have just been given a new home. I thought somebody might raise this objection - I am racking my brains how to get around it! Whenever I think of evil I think of something that deliberately destroys - the second part of my definition was also of primary importance in my definition It is the ultimate and illusory assertion of one's own difference and self sufficiency from the rest of the universe. On further reflection, integral to evil is the deliberate exercise of power for the sake of exercising power. If one wilfully destroys for no other end than to increase or demonstrate one's own power then that action is evil. Hence the kind of destruction involved in building a beach house is not evil unless one just wishes to destroy the worms and trees for the pure enjoyment of destroying them and proving that one is powerful. And of course the volcano is not evil as it has no intent (as far as I know!!) > This kinda reminds me of the episode from monkey. The one where the >king is working his slaves really hard in order for him to get enough >gold to eat. He was basically a decent guy, but, he needed the gold >to live. He was keeping everyone in misery, but, it wasn't his gaol. I partially agree with this - although the episode made it clear that the king was a demon and had made himself a demon through his own greed for gold - he only needed the gold to live because he had made himself that way - - thus he was responsible for the destruction that his own decisions wrought. But he had clearly decided after a while this wasn't the way to go! At the end of the episode he ends up having to dig up mountains and eat dirt as penance for his actions. >That's why I agree more with the other definition: to "ACTIVELY" >inhibit the spiritual growth of others. Yes, I would agree with this in that evil involves deliberate intent with full knowledge of what one is doing. Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:57:25 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] monkey's appearance Has anybody else noticed that sometimes the gold design that is on the front of Monkey's belt appears to be rather faded in some episodes? Perhaps he has several belts - some more worn out than others! Another thing, Monkey appears to be quite a lot thinner in the 3rd series. Perhaps all the walking and lack of decent food has finally got to him!! Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 03:56:31 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: [monkey] "Fire Mountain" story I just found this story featuring Monkey, Pigsy, Sandy and Tripitaka: http://leahi.kcc.hawaii.edu/~cook/myths/monkey.html Does this sound like one of the episodes? If so, which one? Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:00:25 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] last episode Howell mentions the Wasp witch episode - definitely the 2nd last episode> his episode finishes with: >"The pilgrims leave the village and set off on their journey once more. >They are farewelled by the witch and her children who wave >from high on a nearby mountain top." > >This doesn't seem like the end of a series... > >How does "Mothers" finish? I meant to have a quick look at the end to remind myself of what was actually said, but haven't got around to it. After it is revealed that Tripitaka's mother, who is visiting him, is actually a ghost (Monkey thinks she is a demon and tries to beat her up!) - she floats off to stand in Buddha's hand. Buddha says a number of (incomprehensible :-)) things and Tripitaka cheers up and all the pilgrims set off on their way again knowing that they still have a long way to go. Right at the end Monkey kisses the horse as they are walking away. It is clear from the comments of the voice over that it is meant to be a final episode - but as I said before, as final episodes go - I thought the one at the end of the second series 'The end of the way' where Monkey actually dies (and comes back to life!) is a much more satisfactory one. At that stage the producers probably didn't think they were going to make any more episodes - which might explain why the real Pigsy wasn't available for the last series!! Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 04:05:58 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: [monkey] Monkey King opera Download clips from the Chinese Monkey King opera here! http://orathost.cfa.ilstu.edu/classes/ORAT389.88Seminar/exhibits/JinKangzhong/op era.html Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 04:08:33 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: [monkey] Monkey style martial arts Check out this page (you can order the Hung Gar Monkey King Staff Set from here): http://www.wle.com/vhg.htm#VHG04 Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:09:24 +0100 From: wu0dbr@intdev.sunderland.ac.uk (BRADMAN Dawn) Subject: [monkey] Monkey Videos With reference of off air recording of TV shows. As far as legality goes, it is OK to tape off air shows as long as you do not sell them for personal profit. It appears OK to swap tapes but not to sell episodes - this is an illegal act against copyright regulations. I would presume that as this is the rule in the UK it would be the same in other countries as well ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:00:54 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: Re: [monkey] Wasp Witch episode question Chris Hadgis says > >12. Mothers >13. At The Top Of The Mountain > >Is this the order Foxtel (Australia) played them in last time? Yes, it was also the order that was on the ABC It >will be 12 more weeks before they show the last episodes of season 3 >again. Do you mean that they will be playing the series again soon on Arena? I have a chunk missing from my recording of episode 2 and would like to see it again. Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 04:15:31 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: [monkey] Hong Kong Fairy Tales In the book "Hong Kong Fairy Tales", one of the featured stories is that of "The Monkey King"... Check out this page to see sample pages from these Monkey King stories: http://www.asiaonline.net.hk/lilywong/book9s4.htm It describes the bit of the story where Monkey eats all the peaches in the heavenly peach garden (featured in the 1st episode of Monkey) - in a cool little cartoon strip! If you wanted, you could order the book from here too... Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:09:49 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] worst episode Okay I admit it I should be working - but what the heck, it's too late in the day for work!! Just to cast a spanner in the works here - what are people's *least* favourite episodes? Mine is the first one of season 3 'Pigsy's 10,000 ladies' (okay I do admit that it does have some excellent bits in it!). I thought the fight with the brontosaurus was ghastly. All the other monsters they had met had at least been articulate and plausible (well sort of!) but the plastic brontosaurus was terrible. I also thought the lump Monkey developed on his head when one of his Monkey subjects throws a rock at him was a bit cartoon like and didn't like it. Neither did I like the overly puritannical humourless Buddha who appears in this episode. Neither was I happy with the new Pigsy at all and the horse was also a bit of a problem!! And the new opening and closing sequences were not a patch on the earlier series!! (BTW I thought Yu Lung's *best* episode was the one with the puppy dog in the mangy suit!) There! Said it now! (I've wanted to say all that for ages!) clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:28:22 +0000 From: "Semprini" Subject: Re: [monkey] "Fire Mountain" story > I just found this story featuring Monkey, Pigsy, Sandy and Tripitaka: > > http://leahi.kcc.hawaii.edu/~cook/myths/monkey.html > > Does this sound like one of the episodes? If so, which one? I hate to be a smart arse, but yes. http://freeweb.redcat.org.uk/~semprini/buffalo.htm Similar to what was described except it was in more of a "family drama" style with the fan princess being married to a buffalo demon who was having an affair. And so on. John .oOo. "hello" (c) 1997 mailto:semprini@buttle.com (All Rights Reserved) http://freeweb.redcat.org.uk/~semprini/ (for Heaven's sake, go there..) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:43:26 +1000 (EST) From: Chris Hadgis Subject: Re: [monkey] Wasp Witch episode question According to Clare O'Farrell: > Do you mean that they will be playing the series again soon on Arena? I > have a chunk missing from my recording of episode 2 and would like to see > it again. It is currently playing now. Check the guide for 6am Saturday and 4am Sunday (one episode) and 6am Sunday and 4am Monday (another episode). What I do is tape for three hours from 4am on Sunday and get two episodes on the one tape. Thus there are two episodes each weekend. Last weekend they showed 'Monkey Meets The Demon Digger' and 'The Most Monstrous Monster'. I thought you knew. ChrisH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:47:59 +1000 (EST) From: Chris Hadgis Subject: Re: [monkey] videos According to Robert Walter: > The problem is that when you tape things off the TV you don't have > to watch the adds. This pisses off the advertisers no end, which in > turn pisses off the TV stations. I think this is a flase claim. When I fast-forward ads, I can tell which ones they are 90% of the time. Oh look, National Australia Bank, and there's that horrid Suncorp ad, followed by KFC. So the advertisers still get their message through, only it takes a fraction of the time and you don't hear the sound. ChrisH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:22:41 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] Re: Monkey Digest V1 #42 John comments >> It is the >> ultimate and illusory assertion of one's own difference and self >> sufficiency from the rest of the universe. > >Right. Who said that you could use long and complicated words? Eh? >Have you got a licence for this sort of thing..!? You bet!!! :-) Why not I say? Give me big words any time - I was trying to keep in the spirit of philosophical mode! Never a simple explanation when an incomprehensible one will do is the rule!! :-) :-) Seriously, I admit I was in a bit of a hurry and was using shorthand. > >OK... erm... (taking it slowly)... funnily enough the main bit I'm >not sure about is your use of "difference". What do you mean by >that? What I meant is that one does not need to depend on anything else for what one is, that one says I'm me and do not need to relate to anyone or anything else for my existence - in fact I am a law unto myself and can do whatever I like. > >I'm going for a lie down.. > Sounds sensible - I might do the same at this point! Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:22:31 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] videos Robert says >The problem is that when you tape things off the TV you don't have to >watch the adds. This pisses off the advertisers no end, which in turn >pisses off the TV stations. Yes indeed, the people who make money are always trying to ruin everybody else's enjoyment! I have to say that the only way I can watch commercial television is by taping the program and zapping all the ads. The other method is to watch the program and watch a video during the ads - so one is watching two things at once. The other benefit of watching tapes is one can fast forward all the boring or soppy bits (the latter is often a problem with American stuff !) It really annoys me that Arena has felt it necessary to intersperse Monkey with ads all the way through - particularly as the series in no way lends itself to ad breaks. Why they can't put all the ads at the end I don't know (because I'd zap them that's why!!! :-)) clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ End of Monkey Digest V1 #43 *************************** ----------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the Monkey Mailing List digest list, send mail to: majordomo@valinor.eldar.org with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe monkey-digest To send a message to the list, send mail to: monkey-digest@valinor.eldar.org If you have any problems or questions, send mail to: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org For lots more information and news about "Monkey", check out the Monkey! web site: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/8153/