From: owner-monkey@anduin.eldar.org (Monkey Digest) To: monkey-digest@anduin.eldar.org Subject: Monkey Digest V1 #14 Reply-To: monkey@anduin.eldar.org Sender: owner-monkey@anduin.eldar.org Errors-To: owner-monkey@anduin.eldar.org Precedence: bulk Monkey Digest Monday, May 26 1997 Volume 01 : Number 014 In this issue: Re: [monkey] Tripitaka turning into a ratty thing... [monkey] bbc2 Kung fuN night Re: [monkey] Tripitaka turning into a ratty thing... Re: [monkey] Tripitaka turning into a ratty thing... [monkey] [Monkey] Role-playing games? Re: [monkey] Re: Japanese TV Re: [monkey] monkey's hairs [monkey] monkey's cloud Re:[monkey] Monkey versus Steven Seagal! Re: [monkey] Monkey versus Steven Seagal! [monkey] monkey's staff [monkey] more quotes [monkey] Outrageous coincidences [monkey] episode review - 'The Beginning of Wisdom' Re: [monkey] Outrageous coincidences Re: [monkey] monkey's hairs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 11:08:23 +0000 From: "Semprini" Subject: Re: [monkey] Tripitaka turning into a ratty thing... > Does anyone have more information about Tripitaka turning into a ratty creature? > > Was it in "Astonishing Coincidences"? Well, I remember it from Astonishing Coincidences. Tripitaka didn't literally turn into a rat. I'm not sure what happened. I think he went out in the middle of the night and stole something from somewhere. And he looked a bit strange. ;-) I'm not sure where I get the "rat" bit from but it really sticks in my mind so there must be a reason for it. Anyway, maybe I am confusing it with this vampire one that I can't remember...! John .oOo. "hello" (c) 1997 mailto:semprini@buttle.com (All Rights Reserved) http://freeweb.redcat.org.uk/~semprini/ (for Heaven's sake, go there..) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 13:31:32 +0100 (BST) From: A YAP Subject: [monkey] bbc2 Kung fuN night Did anyone here in the UK catch the kung fu night last night?What did you think? I watched the whole thing and I have to say that Monkey was by far the best program. The rest of the night was OK but Id have rather watched back to back monkey than Enter the Dragon for the 643 millionth time although there is something mindlessly appealing about it. Oh well, I'm going to watch the Grand Prix -Andy - ----------------------- There are those who make things happen There are those who watch things happen And there are those who wonder what happened ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 22:53:10 +0000 From: "Sheep Groper" Subject: Re: [monkey] Tripitaka turning into a ratty thing... > > Does anyone have more information about Tripitaka turning into a ratty creature? > > > > Was it in "Astonishing Coincidences"? > > Well, I remember it from Astonishing Coincidences. Tripitaka didn't > literally turn into a rat. I'm not sure what happened. I think he > went out in the middle of the night and stole something from > somewhere. And he looked a bit strange. ;-) I'm not sure where I > get the "rat" bit from but it really sticks in my mind so there must > be a reason for it. As Tripitaka started to prowl, the narrater said something like, "as the hour of the rat began, the human spirit is at it's weakest". Are there 12 or 24 hours in a day? I assumed it's like the 12 year of the. . . animals, but that would make each hour actually two hours long. Does any body know anything about this hour of the rat stuff? XxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxX Let your mind go, and your body will follow Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury but signifying nothing. shepherd@posgate.apana.org.au from LA Story Suburban Shepherd in Canberra, Australia's capital city. First frost 14 March Bugger the rainfall stats, it's drought XxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 16:37:32 +0000 From: "Semprini" Subject: Re: [monkey] Tripitaka turning into a ratty thing... > > Well, I remember it from Astonishing Coincidences. Tripitaka didn't > > literally turn into a rat. I'm not sure what happened. I think he > > went out in the middle of the night and stole something from > > somewhere. And he looked a bit strange. ;-) I'm not sure where I > > get the "rat" bit from but it really sticks in my mind so there must > > be a reason for it. > > As Tripitaka started to prowl, the narrater said something like, "as > the hour of the rat began, the human spirit is at it's weakest". Are > there 12 or 24 hours in a day? I assumed it's like the 12 year of > the. . . animals, but that would make each hour actually two hours > long. Does any body know anything about this hour of the rat stuff? Ah, yes, that'll be it then. Could the hour of the rat thing just be because rat's like to come out at night? Sort of like "witching hour" but not so dramatic? Mind you, your guess seems to make sense too. John .oOo. "hello" (c) 1997 mailto:semprini@buttle.com (All Rights Reserved) http://freeweb.redcat.org.uk/~semprini/ (for Heaven's sake, go there..) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 20:13:50 -0600 From: u9500829@bournemouth.ac.uk (Tim Knight) Subject: [monkey] [Monkey] Role-playing games? Greetings fellow Monkey maniacs! Inspired by the showing - on late night TV in the UK last night - of the first epsiode of Monkey last night, I got to wondering about combining my favourite TV show with one of my favourite hobbies - role-playing games... has anyone every tried this? And if so, with what success... have you invented a whole new system or did you use an existing one (such Dungeons and Dragons or West End Games' D6 system?). I look forward to hearing from you, cheers, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:32:32 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: Re: [monkey] Re: Japanese TV Chris wonders about _Endurance_ >>I always wondered about this show. Is it serious (I think so) or is it a comedy? Why would 600 students vie to be on such a show? Why would anyone put themselves through such punishment for a lousy six days in Hawaii? I really am curious about all of these things. I'm pretty sure it's not a comedy! It certainly doesn't look like much of one for the participants. It's part of a whole cultural tradition, I think, which admires extreme feats of physical endurance - the more you can put your body through and come out at the other end with no sign of pain the better! The documentary I mentioned _Budo_ showed a karate master breaking bessa blocks with his head and getting students to break really thick planks of wood against his shins and ribs .... hmmmm Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:33:39 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: Re: [monkey] monkey's hairs >What else did monkey produce from the hairs on his chest.I remember in a >couple of eps he could blow up an entire army but it's been so so long. At one stage he produces a file when they are all tied up and hanging in a cave. He meant to produce a knife! In another episode he (again by accident) produces a whole lot of portraits of a girl he has fallen in love with. He also produces doubles of various people including a really idiotic double of himself. He mainly seemed to produce armies - I always wondered what happened to all these armies - they must have just vanished into thin air after they had fought the various demons. Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:17:28 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] monkey's cloud Howell, if you thought Monkey nursing his cloud in his jacket was bad - how about this? In the last episode right at the end as the pilgrims are doing their usual thing of walking away with Monkey leading the horse, Monkey kisses the horse! Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:37:44 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: Re:[monkey] Monkey versus Steven Seagal! Nick talks about practising some Monkey stick moves >>Hehehehe, so did I! (and on may occassions). I was about 5 when Monkey >>originally aired in Australia in 1981 and I immediately became obsessed >>with spinning sticks Sorry to say.... I was talking about 2 weeks ago :-) :-) (maturity plus!) >>Yeah, death from a repeated series of stick beatings would be far more >>painful and prolonged than being stabbed with a sword. Not necessarily, if you get the right parts of the body and hit them with sufficient force - not a problem (is this discussion getting gory or what?) >> I think it's quite funny though that when Monkey is fighting a large >>group of demons, it's usually only one or two of them who attack him and >>the rest wait around in the background until Monkey is ready to kill them >>:) Actually this is not always the case - sometimes a whole heap of them come down on him like a ton of bricks. It's really quite hard to attack someone in groups - especially someone who fights like Monkey does. One runs into the problem of damaging one's fellow attackers, and the fighter if he's good can simply push one or several attackers into the others. It's also somewhat hard to predict what the fighter is going to do and one has to try and work out the best line of attack. That spinning stick is a bit of a deterrent as well! Having said this I have seen at least one scene where some demons behind Monkey could certainly have rushed in a bit more eagerly!!! :-) What Monkey is doing often looks easier than it actually is. >>Well I was under the impression that Monkey's staff was metallic. Pigsy >>and Sandy's weapons look obviously wooden but Monkey's has a sort of >>metallic shine to it and the lettering on the staff looks as though it's >>been chiseled into metal (I wonder what it actually says?), I would have thought Monkey's staff was lacquered wood - I'm not sure about the gold ends which might have thin metal over them or perhaps that's just gilding. But in the scene which I particularly noticed the sparks - I also noticed that the sword bit right into the wood and thought - well there's a relacquering job for the props department! :-) If the staff were metal the swords would presumably just slide off - but they don't appear to. There's a really good bit in the fight with the spirit of all great snakes, where the snake swings his sword at Monkey's back - he protects himself by putting the stick straight down his back - the timing had to be pretty good on that one! The lettering might be just burnt in or carved. Perhaps it says 'Monkey's magic wishing staff - keep your hands off'. Any other suggestions? :-) BTW you mentioned that Monkey probably wouldn't fight with the miniature staff he keeps in his ear. That reminds me of an occasion where I went out to a Chinese restaurant with some of my aikido friends. A couple of them decided that they would do a quick exchange and practice of some weapons forms with toothpicks! Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 11:04:12 +1000 (EST) From: Chris Hadgis Subject: Re: [monkey] Monkey versus Steven Seagal! According to Clare O'Farrell: > The lettering might be just burnt in or carved. Perhaps it says > 'Monkey's magic wishing staff - keep your hands off'. Any other > suggestions? :-) I thought the writing was on there before Monkey took possession of the staff. It might be a return address for the original owner :) Also, since the staff was used to create the Milky Way, I dare say it is made out of something sterner than wood, lacquere or not, like star metal perhaps? Which reminds me of the animated series of Conan, but I won't go into that here. ChrisH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 12:20:24 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] monkey's staff Chris says > >I thought the writing was on there before Monkey took possession of >the staff. It might be a return address for the original owner :) You're probably right there - probably something like 'Magic wishing staff which was used to create the milky way and only to be used by worthy individuals (of which Monkey is not one!)' > >Also, since the staff was used to create the Milky Way, I dare say it >is made out of something sterner than wood, lacquere or not, like star >metal perhaps? Absolutely! It is made of something unbreakable in any case - quantised matter from a black hole - since it can change to any size it wants and can transform other matter? clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 12:30:55 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] more quotes Some more quotes First of all my all time favourite: 'Pigsy is a long way from the enlightenment which transcends humanity. He is a long way too from the bottom of the cliff down which he is about to fall.' Monkey: 'And even if we get the scriptures what good are they when the pig's completely and utterly illiterate?' Pigsy: [...] You said I was illegitimate. You've got to remember that some of us aren't just walking statues!' Monkey: 'They'll be sorry! They'll be sorry if I died! - except that I can't.' 'A white horse is most easily lost in a snowstorm' Sandy: 'Let's go to the inn' Monkey's double: 'I'm already in, let's go out' Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 12:44:24 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] Outrageous coincidences >If you had all read the Monkey Memories page - >http://www.geocities.com/tokyo/towers/8153/memories.html - Then you >would have already heard the entire story from astonishing >coincidences. If not: >They are all stuck in the Himalayas. There is a >blizzard outside. >They are starving and freezing. Monkey tricks Pigsy into going for >help. When Pigsy fails to return, Monkey goes looking for him. He finds a >frozen pig in the snow and brings it back where it is cooked and >eaten. All three of them think it is Pigsy, in animal form. A slight correction here. Actually they draw lots to see who should die and be eaten. Monkey tricks Pigsy into taking the first hair (they are actually all the same) and Pigsy goes out into the snow at the end of a rope pretending that he is going to sacrifice himself but runs away. Meanwhile Monkey changes his mind about Pigsy sacrificing himself and hauls the rope back in but finds no Pigsy at the end of it. He goes out looking for Pigsy and stumbles across a dead animal he thinks is Pigsy. Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 14:20:15 +1000 (EST) From: Chris Hadgis Subject: [monkey] episode review - 'The Beginning of Wisdom' This is a review of the episode 'The Beginning of Wisdom'. Please don't be shy about expressing comments or changes to it, especially for the notes. Does someone have enough web space to store these reviews? ChrisH Season 1, Episode 7 - "The Beginning of Wisdom" The pilgrims enter a region which is in a drought. When Pigsy and Monkey argue about what to do, Tripitaka starts taking advice from Pigsy. The local monster, a water spirit, is with-holding rain because the village has no more boys to sacrifice. In desperation, some of the villagers try and kidnap Tripitaka so he can be sacrificed, but Monkey saves him. The village headman tells the pilgrims about the monster. He has a daughter who offers herself as a sacrifice. Pigsy tries to break the drought by calling down buckets of rain, but he is knocked out by a rain of buckets. Monkey trys next. Clouds gather, but it starts to rain upwards. When the clouds are dispersed. Monkey's cloud shrinks. He has to nurse it back to health. An angry crowd has a vision that the headman's daughter is really a boy, and demand she be sacrificed. Pigsy turns himself into the girl and goes instead. After Pigsy is sacrificed and it still hasn't rained, Monkey takes the horse and goes looking for the monster. After battling the water spirit, including a fight under water, the monster surrenders. He has a bald patch and a necklace of human skulls. He claims he is killing human children because humans took his child away. Monkey deduces that this spirit is really Sandy's father. Monkey brings Sandy back to the water spirit where father and son are reconciled. The children are brought back, as is Pigsy's trotter. After putting the trotter in the water spirit's mouth and pulling it out again, Pigsy is returned as well. The water spirit promises no more droughts. As the pilgrims continue their journey, Pigsy is happy for Monkey to be the leader again. NOTES: * Look for Monkey nursing his cloud - especially the look of horror when a piece breaks off! * Look for Monkey fighting under water - his boots have turned into flippers! * Monkey rides "several leagues" to the Bottomless Sea to confront the monster. When the children are released, do they run the several leagues back to the village? * Sandy is 547 years old, and has a 7-mole birth-mark. * Alliteration - "it's no use sending an angry ape after a perished pig". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 18:18:40 +1000 (EST) From: "Smith / Jeanette Yvonne (MGM)" Subject: Re: [monkey] Outrageous coincidences Oh, now I remember! On Mon, 26 May 1997, Clare O'Farrell wrote: > >If you had all read the Monkey Memories page - > >http://www.geocities.com/tokyo/towers/8153/memories.html - Then you > >would have already heard the entire story from astonishing > >coincidences. If not: > >They are all stuck in the Himalayas. There is a > >blizzard outside. > >They are starving and freezing. Monkey tricks Pigsy into going for > >help. When Pigsy fails to return, Monkey goes looking for him. He finds a > >frozen pig in the snow and brings it back where it is cooked and > >eaten. All three of them think it is Pigsy, in animal form. > > A slight correction here. Actually they draw lots to see who should die and > be eaten. Monkey tricks Pigsy into taking the first hair (they are actually > all the same) and Pigsy goes out into the snow at the end of a rope > pretending that he is going to sacrifice himself but runs away. Meanwhile > Monkey changes his mind about Pigsy sacrificing himself and hauls the rope > back in but finds no Pigsy at the end of it. He goes out looking for Pigsy > and stumbles across a dead animal he thinks is Pigsy. > > Clare > > *********************************************************** > Clare O'Farrell > email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au > web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ > 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' > *********************************************************** > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 22:02:02 +0000 From: "Sheep Groper" Subject: Re: [monkey] monkey's hairs > >What else did monkey produce from the hairs on his chest.I remember in a > >couple of eps he could blow up an entire army but it's been so so long. > > > At one stage he produces a file when they are all tied up and hanging in a > cave. He meant to produce a knife! In another episode he (again by > accident) produces a whole lot of portraits of a girl he has fallen in love > with. He also produces doubles of various people including a really idiotic > double of himself. He mainly seemed to produce armies - I always wondered > what happened to all these armies - they must have just vanished into thin > air after they had fought the various demons. In at least one case he turned the whatever back into hairs and stuck them back on his chest ( else he'd be bald there by now ) and in the Gold Eaters episode I think he was anxious to get his hair back. I somehow assumed that he turns his hairs into something useful then takes them back afterwards. Another question on this hairy topic, when they drew lots to see who would go out and freeze to death in the snow to provide a meal for the others, when ?Sandy told Tripitaka that it was fair, they drew hairs and Pigsy got the curly one, Monkey hushed him, and when we saw Monkey being oh so sorry that Pigsy drew the fatal one we also saw that behind his back the other two were curly. I wonder if this was supposed to be a joke - a monkeys hair is always curly? XxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxX Let your mind go, and your body will follow Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury but signifying nothing. shepherd@posgate.apana.org.au from LA Story Suburban Shepherd in Canberra, Australia's capital city. First frost 14 March Bugger the rainfall stats, it's drought XxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxX ------------------------------ End of Monkey Digest V1 #14 *************************** ----------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the Monkey Mailing List digest list, send mail to: majordomo@anduin.eldar.org with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe monkey-digest To send a message to the list, send mail to: monkey-digest@anduin.eldar.org If you have any problems or questions, send mail to: owner-monkey@anduin.eldar.org For lots more information and news about "Monkey", check out the Monkey! web site: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/8153/