From: owner-monkey To: monkey-digest@anduin.eldar.org Subject: Monkey Digest V1 #10 Reply-To: monkey@anduin.eldar.org Errors-To: owner-monkey Precedence: bulk Monkey Digest Thursday, 22 May 1997 Volume 01 : Number 010 In this issue: Re: [monkey] Kula Shaker [monkey] dehydrated water [monkey] 3rd season Re: [monkey] dehydrated water Re: [monkey] monkey's cloud Re: [monkey] English version Re: [monkey] Mushrooms Re: [monkey] monkey's cloud Re: [monkey] English version Re: [monkey] Mushrooms [monkey] Dragon Ball [monkey] Monkey versus Steven Seagal! [monkey] Re: Japanese TV Re: [monkey] Dragon Ball Re: [monkey] monkey's cloud [monkey] Re: Endurance Re:[monkey] Monkey versus Steven Seagal! Re: [monkey] Re: Endurance Re:[monkey] Monkey versus Steven Seagal! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Powdered TOAST Man Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:18:53 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [monkey] Kula Shaker > >> > >> Monkey Mafia Pigsy's Vision remix > >> > >> and remeber one, I think: > >> > >> Monkey Mafia Ten Pigsy's Remix > > > >Also check out Mr. Floppy for quite a few Monkey samples. > > Mr. Floppy? Who are they? > > Are their CDs / singles available in the UK? They are an AUstralian band, that are really weird ass, I think they may have originated the term "get a dog up ya !". CDs should be availible in the UK, but I wouldn't buy them JUST for Monkey samples, unless you are a maniac for that sort of thing. regards, - -- Powdered TOAST Man CR-ELM:s3036712@mpce.mq.edu.au H-URL:http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/6431 Chews Friends ! Chews *Bush-tucker* Dead-dog and Bread CUD ! ------------------------------ From: "Clare O'Farrell" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:37:54 +1000 Subject: [monkey] dehydrated water Nick says >I've only got one episode on tape, but there are a couple of good quotes >from it. The humour is a bit corny but still fun: > > >Sandy: Pigsy was telling me of his latest invention- dehydrated water. > >Pigsy: Oh yes, how does it work? > >Sandy: You just add water. > Don't laugh! Somebody got prosecuted in Melbourne for marketing and selling just this - dehydrated water to which you added water. People were actually buying it! Maybe the guy was a monkey fan *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Clare O'Farrell" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:53:50 +1000 Subject: [monkey] 3rd season Yesterday the episode where Monkey fights the 'good dog' in the mangy koala suit was on (all sorts of jokes about how terrible the suit was in the actual episode) and it was up to former standards.The last few episodes of season 3 appear to be up to the right standard with good serious bits and good stories and serious silliness. It's a relief to see the series get back to its 'normal' self - but what a pity it then ends so soon after!!! In this one Monkey disguises himself as a girl - it's about the closest we ever get to seeing what Monkey looks like without makeup! (How about that for a nice paradox!) Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Howell Parry" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 03:57:27 PDT Subject: Re: [monkey] dehydrated water >Nick says > >>I've only got one episode on tape, but there are a couple of good quotes >>from it. The humour is a bit corny but still fun: >> >> >>Sandy: Pigsy was telling me of his latest invention- dehydrated water. >> >>Pigsy: Oh yes, how does it work? >> >>Sandy: You just add water. >> >Don't laugh! Somebody got prosecuted in Melbourne for marketing and selling >just this - dehydrated water to which you added water. People were actually >buying it! Maybe the guy was a monkey fan I can't believe anyone would fall for that - it's ridiculous! Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Clare O'Farrell" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:56:30 +1000 Subject: Re: [monkey] monkey's cloud Howell says> >I imagine I'd find Japanese TV hilarious! You would probably really like that game show 'Endurance" where competitors have to endure really physically difficult (but silly) things to win. Clive James showed quite a few extracts in former years from mad Japanese television series. Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Clare O'Farrell" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:40:24 +1000 Subject: Re: [monkey] English version Nick says > >And he spins his staff damn well too! I could always shout like Monkey but I >could never quite perfect his staff spinning. I had my own "wishing staff" >when I was about five and I had a lot of trouble spinning it above my head >(considering it was a garden rake with the rake part broken off and it was >about twice the size of me :)) Takes years of practice! I am learning how to do this staff spinning at classes on weekends at the moment! (Such fun!) Very effective for keeping attackers out of range while one is thinking what to do with them. Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Clare O'Farrell" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:33:23 +1000 Subject: Re: [monkey] Mushrooms >Actually, while on the subject of drugs, apparently Tripitaka was >STONED (?) when he went to the disco??? Did it show him "partaking"in >illegal substances in that episode? > What happened in this one ('Outrageous coincidences') is that Tripitaka went mad from days of cold and hunger and guilt at thinking he had eaten Pigsy. He thinks he is possessed by the spirit of pigsy and starts acting like Pigsy - he gets drunk before he goes to the disco. You see him scoffing the stuff down in the inn while the others are sleeping. The next day he waks up with a huge hangover and throws up!! Monkey and Sandy develop a theory that half of Pigsy's spirit has gone to heaven the other half is in Tripitaka. But Pigsy is still alive. The voice over says something along the lines 'Far from being a schizophrenic ghost, Pigsy is very much alive' - schizophrenic ghost - I like it! Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Howell Parry" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 04:34:27 PDT Subject: Re: [monkey] monkey's cloud >Howell says> > >>I imagine I'd find Japanese TV hilarious! > >You would probably really like that game show 'Endurance" where competitors >have to endure really physically difficult (but silly) things to win. Clive >James showed quite a few extracts in former years from mad Japanese >television series. > >Clare Yes, I've seen loads of clips from Endurance on Clive James' TV shows here in the UK; it looks so funny... The expressions on people's faces are unbelievable! But then, when you're sitting in a tank of maggots, eating fried snakes washed down with pints of salt water, and ice cubes down your back, you're not going to look happy, are you? Has a whole series of 'Ensurance' ever been screened on TV outside of Japan? I'd love to see more of it; possibly even buy videos of it. Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Howell Parry" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 04:36:51 PDT Subject: Re: [monkey] English version >Nick says >> >>And he spins his staff damn well too! I could always shout like Monkey but I >>could never quite perfect his staff spinning. I had my own "wishing staff" >>when I was about five and I had a lot of trouble spinning it above my head >>(considering it was a garden rake with the rake part broken off and it was >>about twice the size of me :)) > >Takes years of practice! I am learning how to do this staff spinning at >classes on weekends at the moment! (Such fun!) Very effective for keeping >attackers out of range while one is thinking what to do with them. > I'm doing a martial arts class at the moment, and on the weekend they have 'stick fighting' classes which I keep meaning to go along to; no idea if it's like what Monkey does though. I think it's a form of Filipino weaponry... Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Howell Parry" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 04:39:52 PDT Subject: Re: [monkey] Mushrooms >>Actually, while on the subject of drugs, apparently Tripitaka was >>STONED (?) when he went to the disco??? Did it show him "partaking"in >>illegal substances in that episode? >> >What happened in this one ('Outrageous coincidences') is that Tripitaka >went mad from days of cold and hunger and guilt at thinking he had eaten >Pigsy. He thinks he is possessed by the spirit of pigsy and starts acting >like Pigsy - he gets drunk before he goes to the disco. You see him >scoffing the stuff down in the inn while the others are sleeping. The next >day he waks up with a huge hangover and throws up!! Monkey and Sandy >develop a theory that half of Pigsy's spirit has gone to heaven the other >half is in Tripitaka. But Pigsy is still alive. The voice over says >something along the lines 'Far from being a schizophrenic ghost, Pigsy is >very much alive' - schizophrenic ghost - I like it! > >Clare Thanks for the explanation! This has to be without a doubt the best episode of Monkey; to see Tripitaka behaving so completely out of character like this sounds like classic stuff! Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Matt Sephton Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 13:19:40 +0100 Subject: [monkey] Dragon Ball I've found an interesting Dragon Ball site whoich may be of interest as the story is loosely based on the Monkey concept. http://miso.wwa.com/~yug/db.html Regards, Matt - -- u5ms@csc.liv.ac.uk http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~u5ms/ ------------------------------ From: Nick McCarthy Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:39:30 +1000 (EST) Subject: [monkey] Monkey versus Steven Seagal! At 08:40 PM 5/21/97 +1000, Clare wrote: Takes years of practice! I am learning how to do this staff spinning at classes on weekends at the moment! (Such fun!) Very effective for keeping attackers out of range while one is thinking what to do with them. Is the fighting in Monkey based on genuine martial arts or is it a mixture of different styles? I suppose it's possible that the fight choreographer(s) just made it up for the show but some of the moves are pretty cool, as if they're based on genuine routines/movements. I don't know much about martial arts, but IMHO some of it looks similar to Kung-Fu. Monkey seems genuinely good at the fighting; he's agile, quick and good with his hands (oo'er!) whereas Sandy and Pigsy really just bumble around clumsily. Some of the fighting also seems a little similar to Akiedo (sp?). The reason I say this is because I think some of Monkey's movements are quite similar to those of Steven Seagal who apparently practices Akiedo. Both Monkey and Seagal seem to push and slap their "victims" a lot as opposed to kicking and punching them. However, in a fight, Monkey would kick Seagal's flabby arse anyday!, Nick. ------------------------------ From: Nick McCarthy Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:49:12 +1000 (EST) Subject: [monkey] Re: Japanese TV I imagine I'd find Japanese TV hilarious! You would probably really like that game show 'Endurance" where competitors have to endure really physically difficult (but silly) things to win. Clive James showed quite a few extracts in former years from mad Japanese television series. Clare Yes, I've seen loads of clips from Endurance on Clive James' TV shows here in the UK; it looks so funny... The expressions on people's faces are unbelievable! But then, when you're sitting in a tank of maggots, eating fried snakes washed down with pints of salt water, and ice cubes down your back, you're not going to look happy, are you? Has a whole series of 'Ensurance' ever been screened on TV outside of Japan? I'd love to see more of it; possibly even buy videos of it. Howell I remember seeing an EXTREMELY bizzare clip from a Japanese tv show called "The Screamer" or something similar. The entire show simply consisted of a deranged bloke sneaking around public places like shopping malls and going up behind members of the public and screaming at an excruciatingly loud volume. When the poor people jumped out of their skin, the audience would piss themseleves with laughter! The whole show was based on that ridiculous premise but everyone seemed to love it!, Nick. ------------------------------ From: "Howell Parry" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 06:15:13 PDT Subject: Re: [monkey] Dragon Ball >I've found an interesting Dragon Ball site whoich may be of interest as >the story is loosely based on the Monkey concept. > > http://miso.wwa.com/~yug/db.html > >Regards, >Matt >-- >u5ms@csc.liv.ac.uk >http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~u5ms/ Yeah, I was searching for Dragon Ball the other day, and found a whole Yahoo category (containing over 40 sites) devoted to it: http://www.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Comics_and_Animation/Animation/Anime/Titles/D ragon_Ball There seem to be a lot of Dragon Ball web sites... Other cartoons based on the same story include: Starzinger/Spaceketeers, Alakazam the Great, and the Drifters' Saiyuki Have any of you seen any of these cartoons? It seems that the story of Monkey is a very popular one, especially in Japan and China - check out my "Monkey! - Related TV shows and films" page: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/8153/related.html Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Sheep Groper" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:13:22 +0000 Subject: Re: [monkey] monkey's cloud > Has a whole series of 'Ensurance' ever been screened on TV outside of > Japan? I'd love to see more of it; possibly even buy videos of it. There's 1.5 hours of it tomorrow night as a 'special' on Arena (Galaxy and Foxtel) I wonder if they ever set up an event that was Monkey in theme? Dressing the contestants in Monkey costume and getting them to leap from unstable cloud to unstable cloud above a long drop, having to gorge on mushrooms dyed suspicious colors, I'm sure the producers of the show could think of sufficiently dangerous tasks. XxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXx X Let your mind go, and your body will follow Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury but signifying nothing. shepherd@posgate.apana.org.au from LA Story Suburban Shepherd in Canberra, Australia's capital city. First frost 14 March Bugger the rainfall stats, it's drought XxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXx X ------------------------------ From: "Howell Parry" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:56:12 PDT Subject: [monkey] Re: Endurance >> Has a whole series of 'Ensurance' ever been screened on TV outside of >> Japan? I'd love to see more of it; possibly even buy videos of it. > >There's 1.5 hours of it tomorrow night as a 'special' on Arena (Galaxy >and Foxtel) I wish they'd show full episodes of it on UK tv - it would be immensely popular - - the ratings would go "through the roof". >I wonder if they ever set up an event that was Monkey in theme? >Dressing the contestants in Monkey costume and getting them to leap >from unstable cloud to unstable cloud above a long drop, having to >gorge on mushrooms dyed suspicious colors, I'm sure the producers of >the show could think of sufficiently dangerous tasks. They'd probably make the contestants wear a Monkey headband that gets tighter and tighter as the game progresses... they'd have to ignore the pain for as long as possible while cloud jumping and eating dodgy mushrooms - yeah, sounds like an "Endurance" game! Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: rmarriage@detectionsys.com Date: Wed, 21 May 97 12:52:48 -0500 Subject: Re:[monkey] Monkey versus Steven Seagal! Nick Wrote: >>At 08:40 PM 5/21/97 +1000, Clare wrote: >> >>Takes years of practice! I am learning how to do this staff spinning at >>classes on weekends at the moment! >Is the fighting in Monkey based on genuine martial arts or is it a mixture >of different styles? >Some of the fighting also seems a little similar to Akiedo (sp?). The >reason >I say this is because I think some of Monkey's movements are quite similar >to those of Steven Seagal who apparently practices Akiedo. Both >Monkey and Seagal seem to push and slap their "victims" a lot as opposed >to >kicking and punching them. However, in a fight, Monkey would kick Seagal's >flabby arse anyday!, >Nick. Now's our chance, Clare, to debate Monkey's Aikido connections! Actually, I had always assumed that Monkey was doing monkey-style kung fu (there is such a thing). However, the fact that the series is Japanese opens this to debate. It's been my humble observation that the Japanese consider their martial arts superior to Chinese martial arts and vice versa. It's been a (long) while since I watched the series, but from the way I remember the fight scenes, it is unlikely that there is much aikido in the program. Aikido contains mostly throws and controls, and atemi (strikes) are only used to knock an opponent off balance or disorient him. We do Jo kata in my Aikido school, but there isn't any twirling it around or anything like that. No wasted movement at all, really. "Minimum Effort for Maximum Effect" is the school's motto. Maybe it's wushu or Shaolin Kung Fu, or... Most likely though, it's just TV-do. However, I think it WOULD be interesting to find out what the actors were trained in (if anything). Anyone have any bios on the actors? Rob ------------------------------ From: aholland@tuu.utas.edu.au (Aaron) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 10:21:29 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [monkey] Re: Endurance >>> Has a whole series of 'Ensurance' ever been screened on TV outside of >>> Japan? I'd love to see more of it; possibly even buy videos of it. >> >>There's 1.5 hours of it tomorrow night as a 'special' on Arena (Galaxy >>and Foxtel) > >I wish they'd show full episodes of it on UK tv - it would be immensely >popular >- the ratings would go "through the roof". > >>I wonder if they ever set up an event that was Monkey in theme? >>Dressing the contestants in Monkey costume and getting them to leap >>from unstable cloud to unstable cloud above a long drop, having to >>gorge on mushrooms dyed suspicious colors, I'm sure the producers of >>the show could think of sufficiently dangerous tasks. > >They'd probably make the contestants wear a Monkey headband that gets tighter >and tighter as the game progresses... they'd have to ignore >the pain for as long as possible while cloud jumping and eating dodgy >mushrooms - yeah, sounds like an "Endurance" game! > What kind of mushrooms had you been eating when you came up with that idea? :-) :-) :-) (It's a great idea though!) ------------------------------ From: "Clare O'Farrell" Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:15:38 +1000 Subject: Re:[monkey] Monkey versus Steven Seagal! Rob says >Now's our chance, Clare, to debate Monkey's Aikido connections! > Yes!! The opportunity we've been waiting for!!! :-) >Actually, I had always assumed that Monkey was doing monkey-style kung fu >(there >is such a thing). However, the fact that the series is Japanese opens this to >debate. It's been my humble observation that the Japanese consider their >martial >arts superior to Chinese martial arts and vice versa. It's been a (long) while >since I watched the series, but from the way I remember the fight scenes, >it is >unlikely that there is much aikido in the program. Aikido contains mostly >throws >and controls, and atemi (strikes) are only used to knock an opponent off >balance >or disorient him. After looking at a few books recently on Monkey kung fu - Monkey is definitely not doing this. Monkey's stick fighting is bojutsu. The bo is a staff which is longer than 5 feet - usually it's about one's own head height (fairly short for Monkey therefore!) There are Japanese and okinawan styles of bo fighting and also Chinese styles. (I saw Monkey use a jo in one fight however - stick shorter than 5 foot) Monkey does a fairly elaborate style and I haven't been able to find out what style he does yet. I saw somebody doing something similar in a documentary (_Budo_) on Japanese martial arts. My own opinion is that he is doing a Japanese style as his bo appears to be made of oak rather than bamboo and he stays fairly close to the ground (mostly - apart from all that cloud fighting :-)) which is characteristic of many Japanese styles - he also combines his weapons with kung fu (again I wouldn't have a clue what school!!). Some of the things he does, do in fact bear some ressemblance to aikido or ju jitsu - in one scene he puts a variation of a sankyo lock on a peasant and in the fight with the 'good dog', there is something that looks vaguely like a nikkyo in there! Monkey does some pretty good aikido rolls as well (but they do these in kung fu too). There was also another scene where he does a pretty good throw (something like an irime nage) I agree with Nick most of the strikes Monkey does are with his stick (!) with only relatively few kicks and punches thrown in with more of an emphasis on body movement in his hand to hand fighting. >We do Jo kata in my Aikido school, but there isn't any twirling it around or >anything like that. No wasted movement at all, really. "Minimum Effort for >Maximum Effect" is the school's motto. What style of aikido do you do Rob? > >Maybe it's wushu or Shaolin Kung Fu, or... Most likely though, it's just >TV-do. >However, I think it WOULD be interesting to find out what the actors were >trained in (if anything). Anyone have any bios on the actors? In my own view Monkey is an excellent martial artist in his own right - his technique is a bit rough sometimes but he more than makes up for it in martial spirit and he has a pretty mean kiai! He is certainly very fit and acrobatic. I would have to say that he is my own personal ideal of a martial artist. He'd have my vote over Steven Seagal any day!! :-) The original Pigsy wasn't too bad either on occasions. (The second Pigsy obviously doesn't have a clue!) There are a few superb fights (I wish there were more!) where Monkey really gets to show his stuff - obviously against others who have an equal level of skill. (I mentioned these fights earlier - against the spirit of all great snakes and another one against 3 villagers who are trying to kidnap Tripitaka.) He can't do too much with people who haven't been trained without hurting them, so you see him doing minimalist sort of stuff in the fight with the 'good dog' for example. Hah! Got that out of my system! Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ End of Monkey Digest V1 #10 *************************** ----------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the Monkey Mailing List digest list, send mail to: majordomo@anduin.eldar.org with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe monkey-digest To send a message to the list, send mail to: monkey-digest@anduin.eldar.org If you have any problems or questions, send mail to: owner-monkey@anduin.eldar.org For lots more information and news about "Monkey", check out the Monkey! web site: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/8153/