From: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org (Monkey Digest) To: monkey-digest@valinor.eldar.org Subject: Monkey Digest V1 #4 Reply-To: monkey@valinor.eldar.org Sender: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org Errors-To: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org Precedence: bulk Monkey Digest Wednesday, May 14 1997 Volume 01 : Number 004 In this issue: Re: [monkey] Buddha's hand Re: [monkey] Re: Yulung Re: [monkey] HOW DIFFERENT IS THE ENGLISH VERSION? [monkey] monkey's height [monkey] English translation Re: [monkey] Monkey Digest Mailing List [monkey] Tripitaka [monkey] Caves + Disco [monkey] New versions of "Monkey" TV series? Re: [monkey] Caves + Disco [monkey] Music from Monkey Re: [monkey] English translation Re: [monkey] Caves + Disco Re: [monkey] Tripitaka Re: [monkey] Re: Yulung Re: [monkey] MONKEY- HOW DIFFERENT IS THE ENGLISH VERSION? Re: [monkey] MONKEY- HOW DIFFERENT IS THE ENGLISH VERSION? Subject starting with "[monkey]" (boring!) Re: [monkey] Caves + Disco Re: [monkey] Caves + Disco Re: [monkey] MONKEY- HOW DIFFERENT IS THE ENGLISH VERSION? Re: Subject starting with "[monkey]" (boring!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 07:16:18 +1000 (EST) From: Nick McCarthy Subject: Re: [monkey] Buddha's hand At 10:00 PM 5/11/97, Tu Chung wrote: In the i think first ep where Monkey travels to the nds of the world to write on the poles which in turn turned out to be Buddha's hand.What was it that he wrote on it,i never knew. "Great saige, equal of heaven, was here" or something similar, Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:13:38 +1000 (EST) From: Nick McCarthy Subject: Re: [monkey] Re: Yulung I don't see the problem with Yu-lung. He was without a doubt the best bit of Season three and I thought he was completely brilliant. Perhaps the main reason he was so good was because he was not used quite as I would have liked (ie no time to get bored with him). But he did fit in very well, I thought. Almost made up for the new Pigsy. Well, no, of course not... but he was brilliant and I won't hear another word against him. Yu Lung got on my nerves. I glad he spent most of his time as a horse. As a (sort of) human all he ever did was hinder the team. I guess he was really put in for a bit of comic relief. This is a little odd in way because it made the comedy side of the show a bit top heavy. The character of Pigsy was always the main comic element and Yu Lung was most likely introduced to help gloss over the transition from the old Pigsy to the new one. Personally, I didn't mind Yu Lung but being a token coward, his character was a little cliched. However, I did love those transformation effects from horse to man!, Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:20:24 +1000 (EST) From: Nick McCarthy Subject: Re: [monkey] HOW DIFFERENT IS THE ENGLISH VERSION? There was one episode "The Power Of Youth" where Monkey and Pigsy met the King of Youth. Monkey said he was king of monkeys and Pigsy was king of pigs. Then he said something like "So you see, we three kings of orient are" I wonder if that was a literal translation of the Japanese or whether a Japanese pun was replaced by an English one. I think the English version is a true work of art. And from all the visuals it is clear that the original Japanese is equally over the top. No arguments from me here. I enjoy the English version very much. Yeah, it's cool but did anyone ever notice how feeble the voices of the yougsters on the show sounded? I reckon it's obvious that the kiddies have been voiced by adults speaking in funny high pitched tones. Either that or they just got singer Peter Andre to voice the children ;), Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:54:14 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] monkey's height Somebody asked about Monkey's height a few days ago. I reckon 5'4" at the most - he is pretty short!! Even Tripitaka is taller I think! Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell Australia email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:00:07 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] English translation I like all the alliterations in the English version as well eg passionate primate, amphibious ape, sending an angry ape after a perished pig. The range of different words they all use to insult each other with animal names is also most entertaining! In one episode, they arrive at a unicorns hut. The disguised unicorn invites them in saying 'sorry it's a bit of a pigstye' and Pigsy replies 'In that case I'll feel right at home!'. My Japanese speaking friend tells me there is some untranslatable Japanese pun at this point and this is the creative English version! Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell Australia email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:01:51 +1000 (EST) From: Powdered TOAST Man Subject: Re: [monkey] Monkey Digest Mailing List intro monkey-digest - -- Powdered TOAST Man CR-ELM:s3036712@mpce.mq.edu.au H-URL:http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/6431 Chews Friends ! Chews *Creamed* Doormat and Garlic CUD ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:08:14 +1000 From: "Clare O'Farrell" Subject: [monkey] Tripitaka My own theory about why Tripitaka was played by a woman was that in was in the tradition of pantomime where the young boy is always played by a woman. Gender crossing appears to be a bit of a minor theme in Monkey with Buddha appearing in female manifestation (Monkey describes Buddha as 'kinky' at one stage!) and Quan Ying appearing in male manifestation, not to mention the main characters appearing in a variety of male and female guises. I think it all works rather well! Clare *********************************************************** Clare O'Farrell Australia email:c.ofarrell@qut.edu.au web page: http://www.qut.edu.au/edu/cpol/foucault/ 'Let battle commence. Wine and.... bananas!' *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 06:28:28 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: [monkey] Caves + Disco I've not seen the whole series for a long time, but a friend of mine who saw it recently says that there's a lot of self-parody in the series. For example, apparently every time Monkey is in a cave, it's the same cave, which viewers will notice. Well, in one of the episodes, Monkey himself apparently looks around and says something like "I'm sure I've been here before...hmmm!" - which sounds pretty cool. Also, I've heard that there's one episode where they all end up in a disco and they're all dancing to the "Monkey Magic" theme tune! Does anyone else remember these episodes? Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 06:33:48 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: [monkey] New versions of "Monkey" TV series? I've heard rumours that there have been new shows based on the "Monkey" story: * A Chinese series, possibly in the 1980s * A Japanese series, made in the 1990s * A Chinese series called "Journey To The West" which was made in 1996 by TVB Has anyone seen any of these series? What were they like? [they obviously can't be as good as "Monkey :) ] Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:55:12 GMT From: pac@cableinet.co.uk (Paul Curren) Subject: Re: [monkey] Caves + Disco On Wed, 14 May 1997 06:28:28 PDT, you wrote: >I've not seen the whole series for a long time, but a friend of mine who= saw it=20 >recently says that there's a lot of self-parody in the series. > Oh definitely. Last time I seen the series was when the TV channel Bravo repeated it about 6 months ago.=20 I had loved it when I was a kid, but then seeing it again you=20 see a whole new level. It was hilarious...and deliberately so. I don't know if the original episodes are intended as self parodies etc (although I suspect they are) but the dubbed=20 English languages versions we see definitely are. Paul C pac@cableinet.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:38:48 +0100 From: Parry Howell - FML Subject: [monkey] Music from Monkey >Hi All, I'm kinda new to this list but I thought I'd share some of my ideas >with you.. >I don't know about the dialogue of the original japanese version, but I >imagine the soundtrack would be very similar if not the same..I have the >two ending themes "Gandara"(sp?) and "Holy and Bright" sung in Japanese by >Godiego, the same band that did the english versions of the songs.. Was the song "Holy and Bright" ever released on a Godiego CD; if so, which one? I'd like to get a copy of it (preferably the English one). howell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:12:25 +0000 From: "Semprini" Subject: Re: [monkey] English translation > I like all the alliterations in the English version as well eg passionate > primate, amphibious ape, sending an angry ape after a perished pig. The > range of different words they all use to insult each other with animal > names is also most entertaining! I don't think anyone can ever have taken so much care over a translation as with Monkey. They couldn't have done it any better, could they? If anyone else had done it, it would surely have been a complete disaster. (By the way, why does this subject start with [monkey] ? What else would we be talking about on a Monkey mailing list? .oOo. "hello" (c) 1997 mailto:semprini@buttle.com (All Rights Reserved) http://freeweb.redcat.org.uk/~semprini/ (for Heaven's sake, go there..) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:12:25 +0000 From: "Semprini" Subject: Re: [monkey] Caves + Disco > For example, apparently every time Monkey is in a cave, it's the same cave, > which viewers will notice. Well, in one of the episodes, Monkey himself > apparently looks around and says something like "I'm sure I've been here > before...hmmm!" - which sounds pretty cool. I don't remember that, but there's a lot of repeated locations (and indeed actors and actresses) that appear time and time again. > Also, I've heard that there's one episode where they all end up in a disco and > they're all dancing to the "Monkey Magic" theme tune! I remember this one, but it's actually only Tripitaka that goes dancing. She goes out of her head because she thinks she has eaten Pigsy (a trick from Monkey, surprise surprise) Hmm.. sorry "she" should be "he" shouldn't it? Anyway, in my opinion that's the best episode of the whole lot. John .oOo. "hello" (c) 1997 mailto:semprini@buttle.com (All Rights Reserved) http://freeweb.redcat.org.uk/~semprini/ (for Heaven's sake, go there..) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:12:25 +0000 From: "Semprini" Subject: Re: [monkey] Tripitaka > Gender crossing appears to be a bit of a minor theme in Monkey with Buddha > appearing in female manifestation (Monkey describes Buddha as 'kinky' at > one stage!) and Quan Ying appearing in male manifestation, not to mention > the main characters appearing in a variety of male and female guises. I > think it all works rather well! There is also a lot of innuendo in there about Monkey fancying Tripitaka.... I'm not too sure of the reason behind it, but I think they've used it as a bit of an in-joke all the way through. I think it's excellent. I wonder if it's a social comment (perhaps with women as pure, women as great, women as the boy priest..) or something more, as you say, pantomime orientated. Or maybe it's just because Tripitaka is quite a dull character (compared to Monkey, Pigsy, Yulung, Sandy etc.) so that they are just trying to spice her (erm.. I mean him) up a bit. Whatever the reason, it was the right decision, I think. You have to give Monkey credit, ALL of the characters are superb in their own right. John .oOo. "hello" (c) 1997 mailto:semprini@buttle.com (All Rights Reserved) http://freeweb.redcat.org.uk/~semprini/ (for Heaven's sake, go there..) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:12:25 +0000 From: "Semprini" Subject: Re: [monkey] Re: Yulung > Yu Lung got on my nerves. I glad he spent most of his time as a horse. > As a (sort of) human all he ever did was hinder the team. I don't know, he did bring a certain art form to cowardice. He was a bit over the top, maybe, but I never found him annoying. I suppose if he'd been on all the time he would have got boring because his character was quite shallow. Still, he was superb. There was something really pleasing whenever he turned human. It was about the only thing really worth looking forward to in Series 3. Oh, except for the episode where Monkey tries to kill himself. I can't remember why he wanted to do that now, though... John .oOo. "hello" (c) 1997 mailto:semprini@buttle.com (All Rights Reserved) http://freeweb.redcat.org.uk/~semprini/ (for Heaven's sake, go there..) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:12:25 +0000 From: "Semprini" Subject: Re: [monkey] MONKEY- HOW DIFFERENT IS THE ENGLISH VERSION? > On a related matter: What is the cast of the English voice-overs? > I believe (but do not know for sure) that David Collings is Monkey's > voice, and Michael Woodthorpe is Pigsy's, but what about the others? I love the way they even try to do Japanese accents. It's wonderful. It's clearly been done by someone with a lot of affection for the series. David Collings and Michael Woodthorpe sound desperately English as well..1!! .oOo. "hello" (c) 1997 mailto:semprini@buttle.com (All Rights Reserved) http://freeweb.redcat.org.uk/~semprini/ (for Heaven's sake, go there..) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:14:42 +0000 From: "Semprini" Subject: Re: [monkey] MONKEY- HOW DIFFERENT IS THE ENGLISH VERSION? > I don't know about the dialogue of the original japanese version, but I > imagine the soundtrack would be very similar if not the same..I have the > two ending themes "Gandara"(sp?) and "Holy and Bright" sung in Japanese by > Godiego, the same band that did the english versions of the songs.. In the English series every now and again they would have the Japanese versions of Godiego and (possibly) Holy and Bright (but can't rememeber about this one) I thought this was also a nice touch really. .oOo. "hello" (c) 1997 mailto:semprini@buttle.com (All Rights Reserved) http://freeweb.redcat.org.uk/~semprini/ (for Heaven's sake, go there..) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:03:55 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Subject starting with "[monkey]" (boring!) >(By the way, why does this subject start with [monkey] ? What else >would we be talking about on a Monkey mailing list? Well,it was one of the default settings for the mailing list.... I think the reason for it is to make it clear to people when they look in their mailbox which messages are from the monkey mailing list. Some people may set up a filter based on the subject - e.g. so all subjects starting with "[monkey]" go into their 'monkey' folder or whatever... If people really want it removed, I could remove it - it's just that some people may find it useful. Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:15:34 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] Caves + Disco >> For example, apparently every time Monkey is in a cave, it's the same cave, >> which viewers will notice. Well, in one of the episodes, Monkey himself >> apparently looks around and says something like "I'm sure I've been here >> before...hmmm!" - which sounds pretty cool. > >I don't remember that, but there's a lot of repeated locations (and >indeed actors and actresses) that appear time and time again. > >> Also, I've heard that there's one episode where they all end up in a disco and >> they're all dancing to the "Monkey Magic" theme tune! > >I remember this one, but it's actually only Tripitaka that goes >dancing. She goes out of her head because she thinks she has eaten >Pigsy (a trick from Monkey, surprise surprise) > >Hmm.. sorry "she" should be "he" shouldn't it? > >Anyway, in my opinion that's the best episode of the whole lot. This episode sounds *incredible*. I just can't imagine Tripitaka going to a disco and dancing to "Monkey Magic"!!! I *have* to see this episode - if anyone in the UK has it on tape, I'd love to borrow it :) Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:23:31 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] Caves + Disco >> For example, apparently every time Monkey is in a cave, it's the same cave, >> which viewers will notice. Well, in one of the episodes, Monkey himself >> apparently looks around and says something like "I'm sure I've been here >> before...hmmm!" - which sounds pretty cool. > >I don't remember that, but there's a lot of repeated locations (and >indeed actors and actresses) that appear time and time again. > >> Also, I've heard that there's one episode where they all end up in a disco and >> they're all dancing to the "Monkey Magic" theme tune! > >I remember this one, but it's actually only Tripitaka that goes >dancing. She goes out of her head because she thinks she has eaten >Pigsy (a trick from Monkey, surprise surprise) > >Hmm.. sorry "she" should be "he" shouldn't it? > >Anyway, in my opinion that's the best episode of the whole lot. This episode sounds *incredible*. I just can't imagine Tripitaka going to a disco and dancing to "Monkey Magic"!!! I *have* to see this episode - if anyone in the UK has it on tape, I'd love to borrow it :) Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:13:13 PDT From: "Howell Parry" Subject: Re: [monkey] MONKEY- HOW DIFFERENT IS THE ENGLISH VERSION? >> On a related matter: What is the cast of the English voice-overs? >> I believe (but do not know for sure) that David Collings is Monkey's >> voice, and Michael Woodthorpe is Pigsy's, but what about the others? > >I love the way they even try to do Japanese accents. It's wonderful. > It's clearly been done by someone with a lot of affection for the >series. I agree - a lot of work was obviously put into both the English translation, and the Japanese accents. I'd actually be interested in seeing the series in its native Japanese though - to find out how Monkey *really* speaks. Howell - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 08:21:20 +1000 From: "merlin" Subject: Re: Subject starting with "[monkey]" (boring!) As someone who *shares* an email account with someone who subscribes to the mailing list...*please* leave the [monkey] as a default! It is definately used as a filter here ;-) - ---------- > From: Howell Parry > To: monkey@valinor.eldar.org > Subject: Subject starting with "[monkey]" (boring!) > Date: Thursday, 15 May 1997 6:03 > > > >(By the way, why does this subject start with [monkey] ? What else > >would we be talking about on a Monkey mailing list? > > Well,it was one of the default settings for the mailing list.... > > I think the reason for it is to make it clear to people when they look in their > mailbox which messages are from the monkey mailing list. > > Some people may set up a filter based on the subject - e.g. so all subjects > starting with "[monkey]" go into their 'monkey' folder or whatever... > > If people really want it removed, I could remove it - it's just that some people > may find it useful. > > Howell > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of Monkey Digest V1 #4 ************************** ----------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the Monkey Mailing List digest list, send mail to: majordomo@valinor.eldar.org with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe monkey-digest To send a message to the list, send mail to: monkey-digest@valinor.eldar.org If you have any problems or questions, send mail to: owner-monkey@valinor.eldar.org For lots more information and news about "Monkey", check out the Monkey! web site: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/8153/